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I'm Pro Choice and heres why




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I generally agree with much of what you wrote ...
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but I wouldn't describe suicide as a “victimless” crime. A 19-year-old friend of one of my daughters committed suicide about 2 years ago by hanging herself. It affected my daughter and the woman's other friends quite profoundly. None of the friends had suspected how deeply depressed she was, and they all beat themselves up with the feeling that they should have recognized the signs and somehow prevented it. The woman was also someone's daughter and I imagine her parents will struggle with what happened for the rest of their lives. Children of suicides have an especially hard time coming to terms with it, and studies show they are more vulnerable to suicide themselves than the general population. Many who kill themselves are not people who hate their lives, they are depressed and looking for a way to end the pain. A good therapist can often literally make the difference between life and death. I have a close friend who was contemplating suicide 10 years ago due to depression. He found a therapist, fully recovered, and is still with us — happy and productive. The suicidal episode is a barely-remembered dark interval of his life. Another friend in the same situation was not fortunate enough to get help and is no longer here. I still miss him and mourn his passing. Like my daughter and her pals, I still regret that I didn't realize the state my friend was in and try to help him. |
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| Thank you, Gixa. We often hear suicide attempts described as a 'cry for help'. Sometimes that help is nothing more than caring, listening or being a friend. | ||
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| Thats not my problem...Its not my responsibility to listen for their cries of help, I don't wanna run around trying to decide whether or not someone is gonna off themselves. I just wanna live my life, not try to encourage you to keep living yours. | ||
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No doubt many people — maybe a majority — probably agree with your feeling of, “I don't wanna run around trying to decide whether or not someone is gonna off themselves. I just wanna live my life, not try to encourage you to keep living yours,” but life has a way of throwing a lot of situations we don't want to deal with directly in our paths. Are you saying that you wouldn't try to help a close friend, partner, child, or parent if you became aware they were suicidal? |
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You don't convince me
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As long as you were not the aborted baby, you can be in favor of pro-choice. The others have no voice or chance at life. My children pointed this out to me long ago without a word. |
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There are sick elderly citizens pushing for doctor-assisted death, something they call "death with dignity." It's a euphemism for suicide. So, that means murder at the start and end of life has become controversial. It must mean only those in the middle of life have worth. What a sick culture of death we are living in. |
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cwrite, I agree. Once arbitrary values are set on points in the entire life process which places the importance of one over the other, the value of life overall is diminished. How can one say that the middle of life is more important than conception? Indeed how can one reach mid-life without first being conceived? Establishing parameters when it comes to the stages of life and their relative importance is a dangerous thing. For as easily the parameters are set so too can they be moved. The whole process of life should be seen as a singular progression wherein one stage is dependent on another. With regards to choice. What may first be established as a choice can quickly become a lack of choice. Abortion being legalized has effectively removed the value of life for the unborn. When the value of life is no longer present, the easier it is for that choice to become irrelevant to the point where the government will be enabled to make the choice and not the individual. Such is the case in China where forced abortions are implemented. Peace |
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culture of death
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Death is a part of life regardless of abortion, advanced directives, suicide, car accidents, disease, etc... There are calculations based on value of human life in everything we do. Look at the Toyota recalls, look at earthquake retrofitting, etc.. End of life assisted suicide isn't a statement on value of that life, it is about quality of life. Abortion isn't a statement on the value of that life either. We can bestow legal rights at some point during the pregnancy, but when? Do we force the mother to get prenatal care? Do we force the woman not to smoke, drink, etc.. Can we force them to love their children? Once they become pregnant, is the fetus in the custody of the state? Frankly, I believe that the fetus is a human life, hard not to believe that when you see an ultra sound. I am personally against abortion, and would advise against it if a young couple was seeking my advice. The problem is, the pre birth child is in a state where the woman's consent is pretty much a requirement for that child to be viable. We can restrict access to abortion, but since it is her body, we can't or don't do anything to support that woman (as a society). It is ideal that children are raised in a two parent, married household, but that doesn't always work out. So then, what do we do? How do we keep abortion low, but encourage strong families? Do we want the government involved in that? |
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culture of death (murder the problem)
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All the questions you raise are good ones but we have been abysmal as a culture at preventing unwanted/unplanned pregnancies because individual men and women lack self-control/self discipline and moral conviction. It is possible to reach adulthood without addiction or sexual experimentation. It takes a decision/choice made young and the will to stay with/accomplish the goal. I'd like to see more young people do this. It's a reason to keep talking on the topic. |
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I am deeply sorry....
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| that you have so little love in your heart and joy in your life that you can't conceive of caring for someone else. If there is somebody out there that loves you, I hope they continue in spite of you. | |
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| Its not that I don't have love, its I don't have time to run around tying to prevent a bunch of people I don't know not off themselves. I don't tell people what religion they should follow, whether or not they should use drugs, or try to talk to them about abortion or any other moral stance whey should I try to talk to them about suicide? I don't care if you live or die, worlds over populated as it is. If you want to swallow the end of a shot gun barrel don't let my morals get in the way. | ||