I'm Pro Choice and heres why

Heres something interesting, today on MSU campus there was a group of people handing out all sorts of nick nacks which might have included, but doesn't necessarily include, water bottles, gun locks, arm bands, stickers, pamphlets, you know the same sort of stuff that these awareness group hand out. 

Well anyway, these table was raising awareness about suicide.  I know a lot of y ou out there are probably wondering what we can do to avoid people off'ing themselves.  Well my stance on the matter is this, if you hate your life so much, that you don't want to live anymore, that is fine by me, bye.  I don't really want my tax money to be spent saving you anyway, its not my problem.  Is it really our responsibility to keep you alive?  If you really want to die by all means let me get out of the way and go for it.  Now some people that I know think that suicide is the selfish way out, however, like sometimes like animals it might be a mercy death and your actually the selfish one for wanting them to keep living.  If you hang yourself or shoot yourself, or open the medicine cabinet and swallow everything in it, there is probably a good reason, who am I to judge whether you should live or die, its your choice not mine.  

Maybe we should not use up hospital resources for people that not only don't want to live, but take active steps to become deceased, honor their wishes.  I know that most people will be pissed off, and start saying their moral crap about how human life is precious, but lets face it, your contribution to society won't be missed and its not like their is anything new under the sun so you really won't be adding anything that someone else hasn't already added. 

I  believe that the government should not pass laws for victimless crimes, I think that the money can be better spent than trying to save a bunch of people that don't want to be save.....so in closing....KEEP YOUR LAWS AND MORALS OFF MY BODY...Pro Choice

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I generally agree with much of what you wrote ... bygixa5 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
but I wouldn't describe suicide as a “victimless” crime.

A 19-year-old friend of one of my daughters committed suicide about 2 years ago by hanging herself. It affected my daughter and the woman's other friends quite profoundly. None of the friends had suspected how deeply depressed she was, and they all beat themselves up with the feeling that they should have recognized the signs and somehow prevented it.

The woman was also someone's daughter and I imagine her parents will struggle with what happened for the rest of their lives.

Children of suicides have an especially hard time coming to terms with it, and studies show they are more vulnerable to suicide themselves than the general population.

Many who kill themselves are not people who hate their lives, they are depressed and looking for a way to end the pain. A good therapist can often literally make the difference between life and death.

I have a close friend who was contemplating suicide 10 years ago due to depression. He found a therapist, fully recovered, and is still with us — happy and productive. The suicidal episode is a barely-remembered dark interval of his life.

Another friend in the same situation was not fortunate enough to get help and is no longer here. I still miss him and mourn his passing. Like my daughter and her pals, I still regret that I didn't realize the state my friend was in and try to help him.
RE: I generally agree with much of what you wrote ... byEd.5 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse)
Thank you, Gixa. We often hear suicide attempts described as a 'cry for help'. Sometimes that help is nothing more than caring, listening or being a friend.
RE: I generally agree with much of what you wrote ... byjohnbrownraider5 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse)
Thats not my problem...Its not my responsibility to listen for their cries of help, I don't wanna run around trying to decide whether or not someone is gonna off themselves. I just wanna live my life, not try to encourage you to keep living yours.
RE: I generally agree with much of what you wrote ... bygixa5 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse)
No doubt many people — maybe a majority — probably agree with your feeling of, “I don't wanna run around trying to decide whether or not someone is gonna off themselves. I just wanna live my life, not try to encourage you to keep living yours,” but life has a way of throwing a lot of situations we don't want to deal with directly in our paths.

Are you saying that you wouldn't try to help a close friend, partner, child, or parent if you became aware they were suicidal?
You don't convince me bycwrite5 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
As long as you were not the
aborted baby, you can be in
favor of pro-choice. The
others have no voice or chance
at life. My children pointed
this out to me long ago
without a word.
Don't worry bycwrite5 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
There are sick elderly citizens
pushing for doctor-assisted death,
something they call "death with dignity."
It's a euphemism for suicide.
So, that means murder at the start
and end of life has become controversial.
It must mean only those in the middle
of life have worth. What a sick
culture of death we are living in.
RE: Don't worry byLiberal Doses5 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse)
cwrite,

I agree. Once arbitrary values are set on points in the entire life process which places the importance of one over the other, the value of life overall is diminished. How can one say that the middle of life is more important than conception? Indeed how can one reach mid-life without first being conceived?

Establishing parameters when it comes to the stages of life and their relative importance is a dangerous thing. For as easily the parameters are set so too can they be moved. The whole process of life should be seen as a singular progression wherein one stage is dependent on another.

With regards to choice. What may first be established as a choice can quickly become a lack of choice. Abortion being legalized has effectively removed the value of life for the unborn. When the value of life is no longer present, the easier it is for that choice to become irrelevant to the point where the government will be enabled to make the choice and not the individual. Such is the case in China where forced abortions are implemented.

Peace
culture of death bybelgradepsc5 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Death is a part of life regardless of abortion, advanced directives, suicide, car accidents, disease, etc... There are calculations based on value of human life in everything we do. Look at the Toyota recalls, look at earthquake retrofitting, etc..

End of life assisted suicide isn't a statement on value of that life, it is about quality of life.

Abortion isn't a statement on the value of that life either. We can bestow legal rights at some point during the pregnancy, but when? Do we force the mother to get prenatal care? Do we force the woman not to smoke, drink, etc.. Can we force them to love their children? Once they become pregnant, is the fetus in the custody of the state?

Frankly, I believe that the fetus is a human life, hard not to believe that when you see an ultra sound. I am personally against abortion, and would advise against it if a young couple was seeking my advice. The problem is, the pre birth child is in a state where the woman's consent is pretty much a requirement for that child to be viable. We can restrict access to abortion, but since it is her body, we can't or don't do anything to support that woman (as a society). It is ideal that children are raised in a two parent, married household, but that doesn't always work out. So then, what do we do? How do we keep abortion low, but encourage strong families? Do we want the government involved in that?
culture of death (murder the problem) bycwrite5 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse)
All the questions you raise
are good ones but we have been
abysmal as a culture at preventing
unwanted/unplanned pregnancies
because individual men and women
lack self-control/self discipline
and moral conviction. It is
possible to reach adulthood
without addiction or sexual
experimentation. It takes a
decision/choice made young and
the will to stay with/accomplish the
goal. I'd like to see more
young people do this. It's a
reason to keep talking on the topic.
I am deeply sorry.... byoldfashioned5 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
that you have so little love in your heart and joy in your life that you can't conceive of caring for someone else. If there is somebody out there that loves you, I hope they continue in spite of you.
RE: I am deeply sorry.... byjohnbrownraider5 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse)
Its not that I don't have love, its I don't have time to run around tying to prevent a bunch of people I don't know not off themselves. I don't tell people what religion they should follow, whether or not they should use drugs, or try to talk to them about abortion or any other moral stance whey should I try to talk to them about suicide? I don't care if you live or die, worlds over populated as it is. If you want to swallow the end of a shot gun barrel don't let my morals get in the way.