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| I know the founding fathers were very concerned about big gov't because big gov't=the English monarchy and they had just gotten rid of them. Limited gov't, low taxes and the pursuit of happiness, and the most important of rights-the right to life. The constitution doesn't promise us happiness or healthcare or that everyone gets the same amoutn of money in their paychecks, but the pursuit thereof. | |
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The following statement, or variations thereof, is often attributed to Thomas Jefferson: "A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...." We have never found such a statement in Jefferson's writings. As far as we know, this statement actually originates with Gerald R. Ford, who said, "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have," in an address to a joint session of Congress on August 12, 1974.[1] This quotation is sometimes followed by, "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases," which is most likely a misquotation of Jefferson's comment, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground." http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Government_bi TJ was a great man, but it is amazing the number of things people attribute to him that HE NEVER WROTE. |
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Post is corrected. Still a good quote. |
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I've often heard that quote attributed to Thomas Jefferson, too. Thanks Rightof Left and cwrite for setting the record straight. It still makes an important point, and it's probably the best thing Gerald Ford ever said. (I wonder whether he came up with it himself or if it was the work of one of his speech writers.) |
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| to answer your question, absolutely true. | |
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That's why I opposed the highest rates of government growth in a generation under George W. Bush. We needed to hear from more of y'all then, when Dubya was wasting the surplus and cranking up the spending. But most Republicans then were too busy waving the flag and telling us all we weren't patriotic unless we supported a war based on lies. Now you're a little late to the party worrying about big government. |
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Thanks Bozemanista. It is just amazing to see all of Bush's supporters, the people who got him elected, and supported all of his extra legal moves to "protect us", are now concerned by the moves Obama does which, so far, have been entirely within the law (or at least I have heard no strong case as to why it is illegal). I was against the Republican's passing legislation that put us in debt. I was against executive orders that took away American's rights. I saw NO support for these positions from the right wing. In fact, they called everyone who didn't agree with them unpatriotic. And now those same people threaten to revolt because they feel their country has been taken away from them. There is a certain irony. Because threatening to revolt, that is actually treasonous. Not disagreeing with the President. |
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| Nothing has been said that offers positive suggestions for a solution. All you can say is "Bush did it, now it's Obama's turn". Somewhere it's got to STOP!!! | ||
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fine, Ed. What exactly is the problem? Any government, institution, business, corporation, army or whatever, if it gets too big, it can take things away from you. The post is just a quote. I don't think we have a stated problem here. |
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I wasn't commenting on the quote. I was commenting on the propensity of Obama supporters to settle for blaming everything on Bush and for centering their arguments on what they perceive as the hypocrisy of Bush supporters. I think the center of Obama's 1212 campaign is going to be "It's Bush's fault". The focus of the tea party movement is they were both wrong and they share the blame. As long as you are satisfied with trying to blame someone else instead of solving the problem, you are going to be on the losing side. When you say "I am happy with my vote for Obama as President. I think he's doing a fine job.", you're saying you're happy w/ $12T+ debt, 10+% unemployment, gov. control of healthcare, etc. Sure doesn't take much to make you happy. |
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Ed, Saying both parties are to blame is a cop out. The fact is, Bush started with a decent surplus and left office with a pretty big deficit. Republicans passed a medicare bill with no way to pay for it. And an economy that was collapsing into potentially a depression. The bailouts, maybe necessary, were also Bush. The stimulus and bailouts were intended to prevent a collapse of the economy. Maybe they worked, maybe they weren't needed, but many economists had been saying we needed this. I am not happy with the efficiency of the stimulus program, but the fact is, I will never be fully happy with how government runs. The country is 300 million people, we all aren't going to agree on everything. Major reform is difficult, building a massive program is more complicated than rocket science. Anybody can criticize and snipe about suggested policy, but it is harder to actually make policy. When I look at the unseriousness of 90% of the attacks on Obama, I think, we'll, he can't be doing that bad if they have to complain, for instance, that he doesn't use the word "terrorism" enough. Not exactly like authorizing torture, then lying about it. I like how you put the debt on Obama, nice one. I presume you know Obama inherited that from previous administrations. |
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| You, like most liberals, seem to be either forgetting or ignoring a piece of history that occurred 9 mos. into Bush's presidency. Is it just easier to BIOB & ignore a major contributor to the problem/ | ||
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Real "hopeychangey"
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The most recent comments verify the observation that it no longer matters who is in power. We get the same nonsense out of Washington. I'm looking for the candidate(s) to truly vote for and not just caste a vote against the others. |
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then we should elect people who truly vote. And frankly, I am happy with my vote for Obama as President. I think he's doing a fine job. |
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Those who continue to vote for republicans and democrats, and expect things to change. I do not know what the numbers are, but I would bet that there are less than 1 million bonified dues paying members, of either party. So was it Bush's fault, was it Obama's fault; no its your fault. So you go right ahead and keep blaming your woes on retarded rhetoricians, which you vote into office every 2 years, until its time to follow your buddies off the cliff because your team did'nt win. November is right around the corner get your yard signs early! |
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Well, that is dumbing it down a little too much. There are members of each party that are decent people. being a member of a party doesn't mean you are corrupt. throwing your hands up in the air, calling everyone the same and "they are all corrupt" is pretty weak. |
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yes, very true and not just government, also goes for a spouse, employer, etc.. |
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Well there Belgrade, what do you call it when everyone who marched in the tea party rallies, are labeled as flaming Bush supporters, psychic. Where did I call anyone corrupt? The word I used was insane. We all know that there is no corruption within the two parties; don't we? "Dumbing it down a little to much" thats a laugh an a half, do you really listen when our illustrious leaders in Washington are speaking? Maybe instead of being Pacs and asses we should be Americans first, but don't expect the same from politicians, with them it is all about the party. INSANE: Doing the same thing over, and over, and expecting a different outcome. The answer to the question is YES! |
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