The Real I.D. Act, NEW AND IMPROVED

Oh well I don't have anything to hide, so why should I care? THINK ABOUT IT, THEN MAKE THE CALL, DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN; SORRY DIDN'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE A POLITICIAN. I AM REALLY GETTING TIRED OF THIS IN MY FACE GOVRNMENT FROM THE DISTRICT OF CRIMINALS.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf1ewqLJzFI&;eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Einfowars%2Ecom%2Fvideo%2Demergency%2Dalert%2D%25E2%2580%2593%2Dstop%2Dthe%2Dnew%2Dreal%2Did%2D%25E2%2580%2593%2Ds1261%2D%25E2%2580%2593%2Dthe%2Dpass%2Dact%2F&feature=player_embedded

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I Am Not Surprised byAlphaBeagle July 04, 2009 (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
As a Christian, this comes as no surprise to me. The book of Revelations lays it all out for me. The citizens of this country are gradually being softened to the idea of one day (I believe it is the near future) accepting a chip in their right hand or forehead. It will be under the guise of security, convenience, etc. and will sound innocuous. It will be anything but. If you read about the verichip, you will find out that the best place for this chip to be inserted is in the right hand or in the forehead. How much clearer could the intent of this chip be than what is said in Revelations: "And (the Antichrist)causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save (except) he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six. Rev. 13:16-18." People, do not accept this evil system. Once you accept the mark of the beast, you cannot undo it.
RE: I Am Not Surprised byChicken Dena July 04, 2009 (2 votes) (report abuse)
man Ab this is over the top even for you.
RE: I Am Not Surprised bydanie006 July 04, 2009 (3 votes) (report abuse)
paranoid magic, plain and simple.
RE: I Am Not Surprised byRightof Left July 05, 2009 (4 votes) (report abuse)
Wow, that's all I can say.

In another thread you claim there is no scientific basis for Climate Change.

And quote from a book that a large portion of the world considers a fairy tale that Real ID is an end of the world prophecy.

WOW?

Real ID is an unwieldy attempt at some type of immigration reform pushed by a lot of Republicans.

When it rains frogs gimme a call.
RE: I Am Not Surprised bysouthward July 05, 2009 (2 votes) (report abuse)
You know, I've read revelations too, and I couldn't find any of that crap. It's a dozen pages all about dragons and other mythical BS. An acid trip gone terribly wrong. What you are referring to are modern interpretations meant as scare tactics to corral the simple minded.

Mission accomplished.

IMHO one of the principle failings of the human race is that every generation since the first one has allowed themselves to fall prey to this end of the world nonsense. Make no mistake, those who spread this manure know exactly what they are doing, and people buy it hook line and sinker.

The one calming thought in the debate of this non-issue is that these many generations of "sky is falling/world is ending" liars have had one thing in common:

They were all wrong.

BTW the Bible predicts that, too.
better get my foil hat out now. byChicken Dena July 04, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
To be expected . . . byAlphaBeagle July 04, 2009 (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
no surprise there from the two of you, either. Such mockery and unbelief is also talked about in the bible. (FOLLOWING ADDED LATER, IN REPLY TO DANIE'S POST BELOW): Yes, it is such a cop-out to be Christian. We all want to be persecuted, hated, spit on, tortured and/or put to death (like Christians in China), locked away in prison, and all the things the bible talks about over and over again that Christians have, or will have to endure. Yes, it's so easy to take the Christian route - and so much harder to mindlessly go along with the rest of the world.
RE: To be expected . . . bydanie006 July 05, 2009 (6 votes) (report abuse)
For you, AB, there's always some kind of justifiable biblical defense...always a cop out.
RE: To be expected . . . byBikeRyder July 05, 2009 (3 votes) (report abuse)
How many different sects of christianity are there ? 50 or so ? You cant even figure it out for yourselves!
RE: To be expected . . . bysouthward July 05, 2009 (3 votes) (report abuse)
Are Christians in Manhattan Montana persecuted and spit upon? Gosh, I didn't realize. The Chronicle must be burying that story, too.

Seriously, A/B if you sang that sad song in a part of the world where there is real religious persecution they would slap you in the mouth for trying to ride their bandwagon. Please get over yourself and get back to your comfy American life.
PROPOSED LEGISLATION O.K. byCitizenpain July 05, 2009 (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
So I take it that you are not opposed to this legislation, or the legislation does not exist, am I correct on that,dena or dan?

http://www.youtube.com/user/kduron2082
How about a new and improved SS card, OK with that also I suppose?

If your head is planted firmly in the sand, you can save the tinfoil for the barbacue.
RE: PROPOSED LEGISLATION O.K. byAlphaBeagle July 05, 2009 (3 votes) (report abuse)
Went and looked at the video. Scary stuff. I know everyone on here is not Christian. Those of you above who attacked me for my religious views - all well and good, and like I said, it is to be expected, as it is talked about in the bible - "For if the world hate you, remember that it first hated me" (Jesus). But whether or not you're Christian, Buddhist, Atheist, worship green men on Mars, whatever - if you've got a lick of common sense, you should be more than alarmed at this type of legislation. Do you really want to give up even more of your privacy? Would you really go along with being branded (chipped) like cattle, to be tracked like animals in a herd? How much do you have to take before you start to wake up, people?!!!
Get Real byChicken Dena July 05, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse)
If you think you are not already well documented, you must be crazy.

I believe it is still optional to be implanted. But by the time your inevitable mandatory tracking comes along, I will be on to the next show most and most assuredly will not care at all.
AGREED, AB, byCitizenpain July 05, 2009 (3 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
What happened to TOLERANCE and DIVERSITY?????????
RE: AGREED, AB, byAlphaBeagle July 05, 2009 (2 votes) (report abuse)
Oh, that's reserved for anyone who is not white, male, Christian, conservative, pro-life, believes in family values - as long as you aren't one of these people, we will embrace you! As LD says, "Peace"!
This post made me remember this article from 2004. bygixa July 05, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3697940.stm

It seems that all anyone has to do is label it as the latest technological advance, convenient, or trendy and some folks will submit to chip implants without bothering to think about the possible ramifications. (Baaaaaaa.)
RE: RAINING FROGS> byCitizenpain July 05, 2009 (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Here ya go ROL, raining frogs.


http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/ecology/mommy-why-is-it
RE: RE: RAINING FROGS> byAlphaBeagle July 05, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
I didn't get this, Citizenpain, until I read ROL's post up above. Get out your umbrella, ROL! (LOL!).
RE: RE: RAINING FROGS> byRightof Left July 05, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
Well then, there ya go.
To BikeRyder, Regarding "50 or so sects" of Christianity byAlphaBeagle July 05, 2009 (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
You need to read Luke 21:8, also Matthew 24:5: "Many shall come in My Name, (Jesus) saying "I am Messiah" . . . and there shall arise false Messiahs and false prophets and shall show signs and wonders to seduce, if it were possible, the very elect." False churches with a facade of Christianity have sprung up in the past and will continue to spring up as time goes on. This is why Christians are admonished to "be discerning" and to "test the spirits". Add to this the continued deceptions of Satan, twisting and using God's word to try to bring about the downfall and damnation of human souls - but, being a Christian is easy, isn't it - a "cop-out" as danie says? Hmmmmm... There are many sites out there that talk about these bible passages, one I find interesting is www.thercg.org/ews.
RE: To BikeRyder, Regarding "50 or so sects" of Christianity byRightof Left July 05, 2009 (3 votes) (report abuse)
Well then, there ya go.

Again
RE: To BikeRyder, Regarding "50 or so sects" of Christianity bydanie006 July 06, 2009 (3 votes) (report abuse)
Again, I rest my case about a biblically-crafted "answer" for every wacky situation.
"Trust in No Man" byAlphaBeagle July 05, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
is another admonishment from the bible, ROL. I'm only human. I have faults, as so many like to eagerly point out. I can make mistakes - so follow the teachings of the bible, not me. That's all I have to say - so there ya go! Again.
Literally byChicken Dena July 05, 2009 (3 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
It seems as though you take the Bible a little too literally for my taste.

There are plenty of good guidelines in the Bible, Koran, Teachings of Buddha etc. but most are what a decent person would do anyway. Besides there are too many inconsistencies in each to follow them to the letter.

It is religious paranoid zealots that take things too far and make the world a more difficult place to get along in.
/I'm not saying that is what you are, Ab.
RE: Literally byAlphaBeagle July 06, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
The bible is quite literal in parts, but also uses analogy. As for all the different belief systems, it is up to each person to choose what they will believe. God did not make robots. As for "religious, paranoid zealots" - each person, each religion has its own definition for these terms. Every group, religious or not, has its "nut jobs". I think one reason people feel comfortable attacking Christians is precisely because the great majority of us will do nothing to retaliate against people who tear us down - except quote scripture and stand fast in our faith. Why don't you attack those whose religion exalts in suicide bombers, killing Americans, running planeloads of Americans into buildings, hacking a few American heads off (by the way, there was a film of this on the internet, being done slowly, I might add - don't know if it's still there, it was so gruesome). Instead, there are excuses and/or silence. Could it be because you are afraid if you say anything, one of these guys might come after you?
Good One!! byChicken Dena July 06, 2009 (2 votes) (report abuse)
It is funny that you think Christians hold steadfast to the scripture and don't retaliate.

Religious zealots are the worst kinds of nutcases. Especially when they persecute others for not sharing the same belief.


Have you not studied the Crusades?
RE: Literally byAlphaBeagle July 07, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
Well, as I said above, Chicken Dena, "trust in no man" - read the bible for yourself and pray for wisdom to understand what it says.
Stay asleep byvanquished1 July 06, 2009 (3 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
And when the thief comes, and catches you unawares, you will lose everything you hold dear. If you can't see that over 90% of bible prophecy has already come to pass and that it's accuracy is 100% then keep your head in the sand. Who knows it may save you from the coming wrath. And if you think to mock me and God go ahead, I am not touched, and he is definitely above your petty squabbling.

For those who are awake, be vigilant, as the time is drawing near and it will be harder and harder to be a christian in this world, what is now just adolescent mocking on a forum will soon be a call to the feds (or the globes?) as you are an extremist endangering the world.
RE: Stay asleep bydanie006 July 06, 2009 (4 votes) (report abuse)
....and then one day, POOF!, the Followers disappear from the face of the Earth to be with God in heaven and the nonbelievers toil in hell for eternity.

Is it me, or does that sound just plain absurd? Leave it to humans to make up such a wacky story.

What ever happened to common sense and practicality to get thru life's ups and downs?
RE: Stay asleep byAlphaBeagle July 07, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
Leave it to Chicken Dena to bring up the Crusades. Yes, these were misguided people who thought they were acting in a Christian way, but were not. It happened a long time ago, and it's over. We know longer wear chain mail and helmets and ride around on horses with swords forcing people into Christianity! The majority of Christians are more like the article in today's paper (Tuesday, July 7, section "The Big Sky" -"Good Samaritans"). Get with it - I am talking about what's going on TODAY - and your post indicates you are still far more comfortable attacking the Christians, whom you know are not a threat, versus REMAINING SILENT regarding those who CONTINUE to use suicide bombers, etc. to threaten, maim and kill Americans and others around the world. WHY SO SILENT about them?
How very Christian of you. byChicken Dena July 07, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
I do not think that I have attacked you. Sorry you feel that way.

One reason I brought up the Crusades is because it is similar to what is going on now with Muslims and the modern spread of Islam.

Yes it is terrible that they are killing PEOPLE (not even mostly Americans) everyday and forcing religious conversions and suicide bombings and the like. But You can't say that Christianity amassed it's numbers by very different means. just because it happened in the past does not mean that it didn't happen.

IMHO, most religious people are "Good Samaritans"........... until you want to believe something different than they do.
You too, Fit in with God's Plan byAlphaBeagle July 06, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Well, danie, play your part as one of the non-believing mockers. But when you wake up one day after the rapture has occurred, and millions are gone without explanation, remember what you were told. Then decide what you are going to tell God when you meet him on Judgement Day.
RE: You too, Fit in with God's Plan byRightof Left July 06, 2009 (3 votes) (report abuse)
I will tell him thanks, now I can get the good parking spots!
RE: You too, Fit in with God's Plan bydanie006 July 06, 2009 (4 votes) (report abuse)
I just sprayed coffee on my computer. Rapture? You're kidding, right? Why in heaven's name would God ever do that to any of his creations, no matter how non-believing they are? Besides, your rapture plan seems a little selfish as it "leaves behind" billions of perfectly nice, well-meaning folks who unfortunately were born in a country that wasn't predominately Christian....then again maybe it isn't as surprising after all.

AB, you've read one too many books from the "Left behind" series.

I hate to say it, but we humans, including the Christians, aren't really that special.
Let's Get Back on Track byAlphaBeagle July 06, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
This really was not meant to be a religious discussion. You have attacked me on that score, I have stated my beliefs and stand firm in them, and have no more to say regarding my religion to people who have "eyes, yet do not see, ears, yet do not hear." So let's return to what this discussion was intended to be about - the closer and closer move to planting verichips in everyone so that government can track everything they do. Regardless of whether you are right or left, regardless of your religious persuasion, what would you do if told you MUST take the chip in order to be able to buy and sell and conduct business in general? Would you take it - and why or why not?
RE: Let's Get Back on Track byRightof Left July 06, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse)
Since you finally asked a question;

what would you do if told you MUST take the chip in order to be able to buy and sell and conduct business in general? Would you take it - and why or why not?

Well, depends on who was telling me and how.

If it was someone with a weapon and the gave me little choice, I guess I would submit.

If I were told I MUST take the chip in order to be able to buy and sell and conduct business in general?

No, probably not.
Ignorance... bymarco July 06, 2009 (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
AB is right. This is not, or should not be, primarily a religious discussion. You have to suspect that all the anti-Christian hate comments on here are a thinly disguised attempt to block serious discussion of the issue. Hate is almost always the response of anti-Christians.

'rol' would 'submit' if confronted with a weapon. Do you really think that won't happen?

If you were 'told' you 'must' take the chip to buy and sell - "probably not". So I take it you are a survivalist with no need to purchase food, heat, water, or any other essential items?

How are these things much different, 'rol' ? I think you are old enuf to know better...

The issue is clear. Good luck to the wafflers.
RE: Ignorance... bydanie006 July 06, 2009 (4 votes) (report abuse)
Wait a minute - look at the first post. It was AB who dragged the Bible into the mix right out of the gate.

I am certain my family and I could go for six months without any sort of financial transaction, including utilities and gasoline/diesel (...but not including property taxes. I haven't figured out how to make a clean break from that one). Between hunting, and a freezer and pantry shelves full of food, we're good to go for awhile without the chip.

I think Kathrine Albrecht is making a mountain out of a molehill.
RE: Ignorance... byBikeRyder July 06, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse)
She brought it up, she always seems to
Thanks, Marco byAlphaBeagle July 07, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
One thing that's been gained out of this post - the clear hatred and diversionary tactics used by the other side to avoid the real topic of discussion. They will continue to do this. Nothing but personal attacks, in my opinion because they are truly unsure and rattled by the idea that we all might someday be implanted with a verichip. The uncertainty in Right of Left's response clearly shows. He really doesn't know what he'd do if confronted with something like this. The reality of it is here - a family in Florida has already had the chip implanted. If you pay attention, we are slowly being softened to the idea. It's in our pets. It's in our cattle. And soon, it will be in us, so that we too can be tracked like animals.
No doubt about it byLiberal Doses July 07, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
We all have our different beliefs. I think we all question our beliefs, which can result in doubt and a lack of confidence. Sometimes our doubts give rise to uncomfortable emotions such as fear or anger due to a conscious or subconscious threat. We then seek to alleviate these feelings by directing those emotions towards the perceived source of them. Often, this is a person who is simply expressing beliefs different than ours. This practice of attacking someone else is especially disconcerting when it involves a sensitive subject such as one’s religious beliefs.

Doubt is a lack of a complete understanding or knowledge of something. Doubt, that portion of us in which a question still remains. Doubt is a natural and universal property, the effects of which plague us all. How uncomfortable that which is in question can be. What creatures it turns us into.

I find it interesting that even Jesus, the son of God was not immune. During that moment when he was on the cross there were obviously things even he did not understand or have knowledge of for he cried out, "My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?"

The irony is that the remedy for us regarding doubt often comes in the form of the very essence of doubt, question. If you find yourself ready to react in anger, pause and ask a question first. Especially of yourself and why you are feeling the way you are. Questioning is esential to understanding and knowledge.

Peace
RE: No doubt about it bydanie006 July 07, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse)
Does your argument still apply when you consider the relentless persecution of the homosexual community by Christian conservatives?

Oh, I forgot - the persecution is justified by scripture. I guess it's ok.
RE: No doubt about it bygixa July 07, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse)
Yeah, those relentless, persecuting Christians.

“I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now for me, as a Christian ... for me, as a Christian it is also a sacred union ... uh, God's in the mix.” —Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U&feature=channel
Our OWN Senators!!!! byclandesto July 07, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
The proposed revision is called the "Providing for Additional Security in States' Identification" Act of 2009, or Pass ID Act, and was introduced in the U.S. Senate late on Monday by Senators Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), George Voinovich (R-Ohio), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Jon Tester (D-MT), Max Baucus (D-MT) and Thomas Carper (D-DE).

Read more at - http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9134404/Real_ID_oppos
So, Clandesto . . . byAlphaBeagle July 07, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Do you and I finally have a point on which we agree? Everything else aside (political, religious and any other considerations) does this bother you, too? I think it should bother everyone, regardless of what other beliefs they might hold!
RE: So, Clandesto . . . byclandesto July 07, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
I would say that it does bother me. And I think on some fronts Alpha, you and I would see eye to eye on a lot of things on moral and ethical grounds.

However, I do not think we can stop the progression of these things, we can only hope to contain them.
All the lemmings ran off the cliff byvanquished1 July 07, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
me? nah I'll hang back and yell, "THE CLIFF IS DEATH!" but if you want to keep running, don't say I did'nt tell ya.
Not to mention byvanquished1 July 07, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
we are straying from the topic. Real ID is real and so are RFID to be informed read Katherine Albrecht's book Spy Chips. Or just keep on running.
Stopping the Progression . . . byAlphaBeagle July 07, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
I agree with you, Clandesto - although maybe I'm more hopeful that we can stop the progression rather than contain it. It's yet another thing that the Tea Partiers are about. We were never just about taxes and spending. We're against intrusive government, and this Real ID, Pass Act, "A rose by any other name", whatever euphamism they give it, is about as intrusive as it gets. I know I sound angry at times, have done my share of name-calling, what have you - but underneath all of it, I am truly concerned about this and other issues that have so rapidly come to the forefront, and people who truly know me know that I care deeply about people - enough that I do sometimes become angry with them.
RE: Stopping the Progression . . . byRightof Left July 08, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
Ms. Beagle wrote, "We were never just about taxes and spending."

I just want to get that line preserved.
RE: Stopping the Progression . . . byvanquished1 July 09, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
ROL, do you smoke dope? I mean did you read the rest? Did you miss reading comprehension in class? Maybe you dropped out in the third grade, but many of the things you say are so dumb, I finally couldn't help myself. God help because you need it....
WHATS NEXT?? byCitizenpain July 07, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
While we may be able to contain these types of intrusions into our private lives for now, what is coming, will be far more difficult to deal with.

The one thing we cannot contain is advances in technology, specifically those advances which we are not privy to through normal media. (oops oxymoron).

Do a little digging into the Military industrial complex, "less than Lethal Weapons", ELF radio waves, micro wave tech., HAARP, beam weapons, SCALAR WAVES, etc. etc. Most of this technology could be used for the betterment of mankind, the problem, as some see it, is that mankind is a tad to prolific.
RE: WHATS NEXT?? byAlphaBeagle July 09, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
I just read about a scientist in Japan that invented a "Killer Chip". This chip is like a verichip, except that if you run away, whether you are a dissendent, common criminal or domestic help (can't lose good help, I guess), a poison has been inserted into this chip than can be released remotely to kill you. Truth gets stranger than fiction all the time.
RE: WHATS NEXT?? bydanie006 July 09, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
Yea - that one was done in the movie, "Mission Impossible III". I'm sure we're just around the corner with the death chip.
First the critters-then the humans... bymontanajoe July 09, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
The idea of microchipping has already been accepted in the name of science,safety and human welfare.
Consider the widly accepted microchipping of the wolves, bears...for scientific study and human safety and then, the closer to our hearts issue of microchipping our pets(considered by many to be family members) in the name of safety should they be lost or stolen. Just a few steps away from accepting human chipping. yikes!!
Do I what? byRightof Left July 09, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
ROL, do you smoke dope? No, my body is a temple.


I mean did you read the rest? Yes I did, more contradictions.


Did you miss reading comprehension in class? Huh? What did you write?

Maybe you dropped out in the third grade, but many of the things you say are so dumb, I finally couldn't help myself.

That's all right, if you need to write something else stupid, have at it. It seems to have never stopped you before. Most everything you post is so stupid you are a contender for Champion Dullard of the world.

God help because you need it.... He helps me everyday and like all humans, we need his help.
RE: Do I what? byvanquished1 July 10, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
Oh that explains your flippancy and insulting humour. It's Jesus in you. It only makes sense that you continuously argue with all of your brothers and sisters in Christ. I remember reading that passage in 1st Fleshalonians. "always argue and say ignorant things that they may come to know christ."
DAMN! byCitizenpain July 09, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Just when I thought you gents were starting to get along, bang, another flare up. Like my great grand daddy used to say; you can lead a horse to water, but ya can't make him bathe.

I think in the near future our petty differences will be put aside, out of necessity I fear, but put aside none the less.
I will not take the chip byvanquished1 July 10, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
nor a real Id with biometric data. I am drawing the line at a Drivers licence and social security card which are questionable enough.
CHECK YOURSELF!! AGAIN!!! bySuperJames July 11, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
There is a lot of truth in this world that's just too scary for many of us to honestly confront. Name calling and religious bashing are certainly not helpful ways to pursue the truth, however, no matter what the issues being discussed are. All of you anti-Christian folks should really check yourself if you find that you are ignoring large sections of mankind's history and only want to speak of history in convenient little sections. It amazes me that when certain people(in this case Citizenpain) put the truth out there for you to consider in a very calm and rational manner, many of you jump at the chance to bash the heck out of it in some very childish and also some clearly uninformed ways. People that stood strongly by God and spoke His truths to the unknowing used to be called Prophets, and were very well respected(but also very much hated by evil types). These days, much do to the impersonations and lies of "False Prophets", God's straight talking Holy Men(in this case Citizenpain) are regarded by many to be insane religious zealots! There will certainly be a whole lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth to come in our near future if we don't stand firmly behind the God that put us here. If you're most comfortable bashing the Bible as inaccurate, and Christians as goofballs, you may be in a lot of trouble, and it would do you well to research the spiritual walk of C.S. Lewis, who has actually done most of the research and hard work for you. If you're just too arrogant, or lazy to CHECK YOURSELF, well, there may not be much use in me warning you again, but here it is: REPENT OF YOUR WRONGDOING, AND BELIEVE IN THE GOSPEL. THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND. SIEZE HOLD AND DON'T LET GO!!
P.S. If you're a Christian, then part of your belief is that you live eternally. Better get a good grasp on that, otherwise you might be too afraid to take a bullert instead of a microchip. God Bless Montana! :)
RE: CHECK YOURSELF!! AGAIN!!! bydanie006 July 11, 2009 (1 votes) (report abuse)
"repent of wrongdoing"... "The kingdom of heaven is at hand"... Does that also apply to dogs, cats, insects, plants, etc? Of course not! We humans are superior to them, and they don't have souls.

SuperJames, I wish you the best when your batteries wear out.
Speaking of Batteries, byCitizenpain July 12, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
danie006, you do remind me of the "Energizer Bunny", round and round you go beating your little drum, cool shades though.
RE: Speaking of Batteries, bydanie006 July 12, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
Aren't you doing the same? In fact, prostilization is a tenant of Christianity, right?
What Would Jesus Do? byAlphaBeagle July 13, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Many of you have brought me to task on more than one occsion for name calling and other bad behavior. Believe it or not, you have made me think about how I approach things sometimes - and I've had to ask myself, "Would Jesus have talked the way I have at times?" And the answer has had to be NO. Jesus pointed out sin, but I don't recall in the bible where he singled anyone out in front of others and called them a name. If I am wrong about this, please point it out to me. Instead, the more I think about it, I believe Jesus challenged people's thinking. For example, when a man said to Jesus, "People say you are the son of God", Jesus replied, "Who do you say I am?". When people wanted to stone a harlot, he said, "Let him amongst you who is without sin cast the first stone". He didn't single anyone out. He got them to thinking about their own behavior instead of others. This is a lesson in how we should try to be in these forums -and I'll be the first to admit that I need to "practice what I'm preaching". All I can say is I will try.
I DON'T THINK SO: byCitizenpain July 13, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
You can search this site, but you won't even find me mentioning religion, I could care less what you or anyone else believes concerning religion. So no I don't proslytize, nor do I criticize when it comes to religion.

What I posted here is about possible legislation coming down from the federal gov. I don't think that the government needs to know more about me than my mother did. Maybe you think differently, and thats fine, but criticism for the sake of criticism adds little to the debate.
RE: I DON'T THINK SO: byAlphaBeagle July 14, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse)
Citizenpain, I'm talking about trying to tone down the name calling and just stick to the issues. I'm talking about myself in particular, for I've done my share, and coming strictly from my perspective as a Christian, it is not very Christian behavior. I don't think Jesus called anyone a "moron". That's name calling. Instead, he said, "My people perish for lack of knowledge". That's telling it like it is, without hurtful name calling. I am trying to work on communicating ideas without the name calling, and just trying to encourage others to do the same. From my standpoint, I am working on it because I am working on trying to be a better Christian and better person all around. Other people may have different motives, and that's fine. The point is to have a civil discussion with civil criticisms. Does this clarify better for you what my personal intentions are?
RE: I DON'T THINK SO: byCitizenpain July 14, 2009 (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
My last comment was for danie, you just got in ahead of me is all. Can't argue with being a better person, it is a worthy goal, and self criticism can be harshest of all.

I don't know about the lack of knowledge, there is plenty of info around, in fact there may be to much to sort through, separating fact from fiction. I think that "a fear of knowledge" may be closer to the truth. I am not talking about religion here, but the state of the world in general, and America in particular; to much coincidence for me.