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Cyberveil, this topic is a surefire way to piss everyone off. My opinions on religion and abortion are mine and are private. Good luck. Time to make the popcorn and await the explosion. |
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hell ill go first.
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| Hell whats so new about a topic like this it has been fought over for decade,s.and will continue to be debated for many more to come. I am a christan but do not push my believe,s on anyone. and what people do is not my concern the only way i condone abortion is either rape or incest. or a baby having a baby.Everyone will have to face judgement when they die no matter what god you believe in.And hey if this offends you just remember opinion,s are like asses everyone has one. | |
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It hasn't been 3 weeks. But...
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1. At conception. 2. Ask you doctor. Don't be stupid. 3. A tough decision to be made by the mother and father, and maybe the family. Is your child's life more valuable than yours? 4. Yes, if their bodies are the only consideration. 5. See #2b. 6. Ditto. |
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| so...if life begins at conception, how is a miscarriage or stillbirth (that is caused by poor prenatal care) not considered negligent homicide, or child abuse? the point is, once you begin defining life in such strict terms, you run into many other issues. | ||
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No issues. Should you be charged because your child died of pneumonia that h/s caught because you didn't take proper precautions? "I'm simply trying to create some dialogue here." No, you're trying to argue the same tired old points that do not address the fact that you're taking a life. If you want to kill the baby, go ahead, the supreme court has said you can. Don't try to drag the tragedy of a miscarriage or stillbirth into your depravity. |
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| has this been done before or what? | |
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| nothing more to say? I'm simply trying to create some dialogue here. Please don't just write me off like that. | ||
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Not Gonna Bite . . .
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| I've already been through this argument enough times on this website. I'll go elsewhere to express my views and give to groups that feel like I do. BOWING OUT! (or should I say "bow-wowing out" ha ha). | |
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What means: "Is a man arrested everytime he ejaculates?" Arrested by who/what? No. 4 is the key: "Should women have the right to make decisions regarding their own bodies?" Except in the case of rape, she already has the power to stop any/all conception and she should, unless there is a reason to bring another life into the world. People used to say, "Keep your legs together & there won't be an unwanted pregnancy." It's a bit crude but it's true. It has more to do with good judgment and self-discipline than anything else. |
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| "It has more to do with good judgment and self-discipline than anything else." Right C, but if there are no consequences to bad judgment and no self-discipline, there is no motivation to avoid them. | ||
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| Also, if guys would just keep their pants on, it wouldn't happen either. Equal responsibility. | ||
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Here are your answers
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I can't answer #1 and #3 but that's OK, because there are enough other people who have the answers to those questions. On question #2 you really asked 2 questions so I won't answer based on principle. Plus I don't know what ejaculate means. on #4 I asked my wife and she said yes on women being able to make decisions. But who really cares what she thinks. I think that takes care of it. |
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RE: Here are your answers
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#4. As long as your wife understands it's what YOU think that really matters, Art. (#6) DQ'd for not having a number. |
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| Excellent answers, if Ms. Beagle would reveal the method, I would award you 5 stars. | |
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| Not gonna chew on that bone, Art. Just reading posts this time. Maybe awarding stars. | ||
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abortion
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| I'll make a guess. You're female, 18-25, in the process of getting college educated minoring in something like philosophy, just took a biology class at MSU, aspirations to become a lawyer, probably won't make it that far, unhappy with life, and just generally pissed off about how the world doesn't give you any breaks. You're not here just for some dialogue. You're here because you've smoked enough weed to convince yourself that you've found a way to explain the problems of the world, but can't understand why no one else can see life so simply. I think they should have an age limit on here. | |
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Mt 007-- I agree that the topic is a bit stale and contrived but there is no need to be so hateful and insulting to the poster. If you don't like this topic you can start your own or go to another.... If the age limit was based on maturity alone, I think with a comment like that, you would have a hard time getting in the door. |
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Hi Chicken Dena, Sorry if my comments came across as "hateful". I think that agressively critical and sarcastic is closer to how I intended or would likely interpret a similar post. The poster clearly had no intention of bridging any gap or resolving any issues, but instead was looking to stir a controversial pot that is a sensitive issue to many. I don't have any desire to be tolerant or appreciative of such a needling post. Take Care, 007 |
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yo, Double O. Definitely stiring a controversial pot but so are most of the posters on this site. I can tell that half the time they not trying to bridge a gap or even have an intelligible debate. Hey-- it is a little more interesting than "pickles? who likes pickles?" or "Do you like to float on the river?" as a topic I would say. no offense RoL, Bozo. |
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A woman's choice...
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As far as I'm concerned a woman's choice is made when she decides to have sex with a man. There are cases of rape and medical complications I don't contest that there are issues to be dealt with there, but if that's the case let's start by limiting abortion to only those areas. Keep abortion out of politics/government and don't make me an accomplice to something that I don't believe in by using my tax dollar to support it. |
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| Since we're talking about sex, do not forget there are two partners involved. A man also chooses to have sex. You are absolutely right when there are cases of rape and medical complications, but what about when a guy doesn't tell the girl he isn't wearing a condom, or if a condom breaks and he doesn't say anything, becauses they happen as well without the choice or knowledge of the woman. | ||
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Dena, this site has a bunch of different areas, like Recipes and Recreation. Topics all end up here on the same page. No offense taken. Do you like Chicken salad or Egg salad better when you float the river? ;) 007 Keep abortion out of politics/government and don't make me an accomplice to something that I don't believe in by using my tax dollar to support it. Cmon man, I know you pay more that a dollar a year in taxes. :) |
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I like to bring a nice fried Chicken Dena when I float... oh! |
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if men had to give birth
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think about what the law would say? It takes two, but only half has to shoulder the responsibility when the waste hits the oscillating ceiling device. what a silly thing to bring up on this forum. as if it will solve the controversy that will NEVER end. *boring* |
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You know.
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The answer awaits each individual regardless of how they feel or believe. They shall know the answer. The truth does not change by how we feel or believe. The truth simply is. God could very well exist, just as easily as he could not exist. If God exists, a person who joins those in condoning the death of the unborn or partially born are complicit in these cruel, despicable acts of abomination and shall be held accountable for where they stood on the issue. For it is by their tacit support that these horrific things are made possible. They have cast their lot. Children are the inheritance of God. Their future is not any one's but God's to decide. When one aborts, one is stealing from God that which is his. What would you feel should someone steal something of immeasurable value from you? Your children. For those who believe God does not exist, and it ends up that he actually does, who among them has not had access to the word of God or the teaching of the Church? Who among them have not been told by others, even here in these very postings? How then shall they honestly say, "Forgive me Lord, I did not know." God knows the hearts of men. From him they cannot hide. If God does not exist, well then those who support abortion have nothing to answer to I guess. It shall be interesting when we each depart this world alone just what the truth really is. We shall either simply pass-- alone or we shall be standing alone explaining where we stood. There will be no one else standing with you. When others band together for support, they only fool themselves into believing that this is their salvation, or their moral vindication. A safety in numbers will mean nothing. Whether one simply supports abortion or one actually decides to have one, they can be haunted by such a decision. Their eyes, the tear stained eyes of the unborn may gaze upon them in the lonesome darkness and ask, "why?" They may face you when you pass from this Earth and you may see the pain of their scars. You cannot say to them you did not know. Peace |
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Sorry, but you don't know....
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Interesting that you should use God to define your moral position in that the Abrahamic God of which I assume you speak clearly has no issue with abortion let alone the murder of infants and children. This is evidenced in a complete absence of divine intervention preventing either the astounding rate of natural abortions (i.e. 20-40%) or man made abortions. Thank you Epicurus... One might also consider God's direct endorsement of fetal/child murder in the drowning of untold infants and pregnant women in the flood, the demand for Isaac's murder, the demand for the slaying of Amalekite children and infants, the slaughter of children who dared mock Elisha's baldness and the wholly unnecessary murder of His Son/Himself (what a silly non sequitur for an omnipotent Deity). Thank you Euthyphro via Soccrates via Plato... Furthermore, there are no explicit prohibitions against abortion in the Bible, just as there are no explicit instructions for space travel, but then what do you want from the oral traditions of mostly illiterate bronze-age goat herders. While current translations have taken liberties with language and intent, neither Exodus 21:22 nor the so often out of context application of Jeremiah 1:5 provides any clear conclusion. Funny that the divinely inspired text just can't seem to make a clear point, especially against the backdrop of the moral relativism so clearly indicated of the Deity Himself (i.e. murder is wrong, unless I do it or demand it). So with respect to your position, the statement inferring that you "know" what is right is nothing more than a demonstration that you, as do so many other devoutly faithful, are inappropriately conflating derived beliefs founded in your preferred mythology with an actual empirical moral knowledge. But your twilight zone gauntlet of starring dead baby eyes was a nice creepy touch. How many starving African infants could have been feed with the money you spent on "X", will their tear-stained eyes be there too? Geez, that's gonna be one long line of starring dead baby eyes. What about all the ground squirrels I've accidentally run over? Will they be there as well? Peace |
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