Candidate Hopping
(1 votes) (report abuse)
|
Voting for McCain
|
 (0 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
| I really wasn't going to vote at all in this election (gasp!) however, I decided that I will be voting for McCain. Unlike Obama, he is pro-life. Also, there are 4 justices that will be appointed by whoever becomes president, and I would rather see more conservative justices who will not legislate from the bench, nor re-interpret our constitution or use laws from other countries in making their decisions. I'm afraid that the "changes" Obama is promising will take our country in a more socialist direction. And who do you think is going to pay for all the healthcare changes and other goodies he is promising? Same old folks - you and I! Anyway, although I think there could have been a better candidate than McCain to vote for, I will vote for him as this election, I feel, is about more than just voting for a president. | |
|
RE: Voting for McCain
|
 (3 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
"I would rather see more conservative justices who will not legislate from the bench nor re-interpret our constitution or use laws from other countries in making their decisions."...Ummm, that statement is an oxymoron. It makes no sense. Conservative judges make conservative decisions; liberal judges make liberal decisions. It's all about legislating from the bench. That's why everyone makes such a stink over who is appointed to the Supreme Court. C'mon AlphaBeagle, you can do better than that. The best thing for our country, for our fellow citizens, would be for us to lean a little more to the left, at least from a social perspective. I love the argument of being "pro-life", yet not support other social programs/concepts such as universal health care, public education, social assistance, food stamps/WIC, a ban on the archaic death penalty, etc. The cold, hard fact of the matter is how do you suppose those unwanted children are going to be cared for? How do you suppose all those new moms, not planning to have a child at a particular stage in their lives, are suppose to care for their new babies if inadequate or no assistance exists? ...I could go on. That has always caused me to scratch my head. AlphaBeagle, I'm not saying that you believe that, per se, but it is a common philosophy amongst the conservative crowd. The conservative drone of "I, me, mine" is killing our country, if not killing our world. Hopefully we'll see some real change after this election. |
||
|
RE: Voting for McCain
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
| You know, many voted for Bush on a conservative basis and in the end one of the big arguments was that he was not very conservative on some key area's - spending be one of them. I see an even less conservative side to McCain. I agree he is more conservative than Obama is, but I really have to wonder by how much. On the Military side it is obvious where the distinction lies, but look at the environment and other key conservative/liberal divisions and those divisions don't appear to be as glaring to me. Personally, I felt that the three candidates at the end (Hillary, Obama, McCain) had far more in common than not in common - maybe too much in common. | ||
|
Obama here
|
(1 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
|
After watching the forum from Saddleback church this weekend, I am more convinced that ever that we need big change. When McCain told his "Cross in the Dirt" story, something didn't ring true. I did some research and I was right-he plagiarized that story from Alexander Sohlzenytsn's book, "The Gulag Archipelago," where a Russian Guard draws a cross in the dirt with a stick. This was purely fiction. Also I don't like the fact that when McCain got back from Viet Nam, and saw that his wife was not the beauty he married because of a brutal auto accident, first he cheated on her for several years, then he dumped her entirely for Cindy, a multimillionaire. Her daddy bought the rest of his career climb. Obama, right out of college went right to work trying to help the disadvantaged. McCain owns ten luxury homes and doesn't want to give too many breaks to those "whiners" who are being foreclosed on by the thousands. And I don't believe for a minute that McCain was in any "cone of silence" before his Saddleback interview. His answers were too fast, too slick, and very rehearsed. I didn't appreciate that he wanted to keep giving his rich buddies tax breaks but was obviously not willing to define what was really "rich." And didn't seem to care much about whether we working class would get any kind of break. A fair warning-if McCain is elected, we will no longer have a "working class." It will be the extremely rich and the dirt poor. The working class will totally be in China. |
|
|
RE: Obama here
|
(1 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
| I second your comments, Mrs Claus. I couldn't have summarized it better. We are constantly being duped by the right wing. | ||
|
Not Perfect - but Better than Obama!
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
| Like I said, I seriously considered not voting at all, because I'm not a huge fan of McCain, either. But why you people see Obama as "better" escapes me. Just what has HE promised? What are these "changes" he talks about? Change isn't always good just for the sake of change, you know. And if it takes us further in the direction of socialism or communism, so much the worse. But some of you actually seem to want that because you believe in the false promises of those systems, which have been responsible for the deaths of millions of people. (Oh, but if we just get the right person in power, it will work! Ha!) Also, attack McCain all you want on a personal level, I am sure like the rest of us he has his share of human failings, but what about Bill Clinton's lack of morals? I guess some people are more "excusable" than others. Your idea that Obama is not going to lead us in the direction of a greater separation of rich and poor is ludicrous. We will be taxed into poverty if he gets into office. And c'mon danie, you can do better than that! You obviously don't understand what "legislating from the bench" means. That's when justices fail to follow the constitution, the will of the people, and when they look to the laws of other nations instead of our own laws. When one judge can overturn the will of the people, even when something has been put on the ballot following all legal precedence and legally voted on and passed, that is legislating from the bench. In my opinion, all justices have too much power anyway, liberal or conservative. Also, danie, you cause me to scratch my head because on the one hand, you seem to care so much about people receiving health care and other services, yet you classify an entire group of people as not even people - namely, the unborn. Surely they are worthy of a healthcare system that will safely deliver them into this world, where someone will want them. Also, I remember when abortion was first talked about (yes, I'm that old), it was not going to be used as a means of birth control. I said "ha!" then, just as I say it now. Pretty soon we will be getting rid of old people, too, as they do in the Netherlands, when we decide they are too much of a "burden" and not really people with any quality of life or anything of importance to contribute. Hitler was for abortion and getting rid of other sorts unwanted human beings, too, you know. So give me a break - if you're too dumb to know how to use birth control, or simply careless, you can still give up your baby through private adoption agencies who don't rely on the government and the rest of us to pay for your selfishness and/or stupidity. So much for sex ed. As for Mrs. Claus, you may be right about McCain - you all may be right about McCain, but I'd rather take my chances with him any day than Obama! | |
|
RE: Not Perfect - but Better than Obama!
|
(1 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
For the record, I will not vote for Mr. Obama either. I like Ron Paul. Here are some facts: I never said that I support Obama (although he is probably better for the good of our country than Mr. McCain) We won't be taxed into poverty (at least in the next four years with a democratic admin.) I never said that I necessarily support abortion. I was merely illustrating the lack of follow-through from holier-than-thou conservatives regarding the support of lives once they're born. Their argument is that once here, people should fend for themselves. They seem to be nervous about higher taxes. By the way, some feel that birth control is a form of abortion as well and are trying to pass legislation to regulate it. Oh, and adoption is a fine option. Too bad it is only for the wealthy. Eventually the babies would pile up in the foster care system. A fine example of the court overturning the will of the people was when they decided the 2000 presidential election. Now that was a crime! One last thing: why is it considered a cry for socialism when someone mentions that we need to focus more attention on our citizens and infrastructure rather than worry about the political machinations of some pitiful country 8,000 miles away? If you don't think we're not killing plenty of people with our own style of society and government, think again. |
||
|
RE: Not Perfect - but Better than Obama!
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
I'm pro-life too, but if you're that old, as I am, you'll remember that abortion was legalized during Nixon's second term, after he promised during his reelection that he would never allow abortion to be legalized. (Last time I voted for a Republican) The Supreme Court, led by William Rehnquist (appointed by Nixon) legalized abortion anyway. Fast forward 35 years and abortion is still legal. Out of all those Republican presidents, did any one of them make it his personal mission to end legal abortions? Heck no. It's too good a vote-getter. When the Republicans start crying that "that Democrat will kill more babies!" the evangelical Christians fall like dominoes. Before you assume I'm a Christian hater, let me tell you that I'm born again, and have been attending an evangelical church for 40 years. Since nothing is being done about abortion, I look for the person who has a heart for the people that are already living. It doesn't help if you prevent an abortion, but then don't care what happens to the child after he is born. Bush has spent eight years crushing the little guy, and his children. People are losing their jobs, homes, and they are starving. Obama has pledged to work on getting the middle class back on their feet, and lifting people out of poverty. All people want are jobs and a fair break. That isn't happening now. We need to take back our country. China will own us within ten years if we don't start acting like real Americans again. |
||
|
RE: Not Perfect - but Better than Obama!
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
We won't be taxed into poverty (at least in the next four years with a democratic admin.) Maybe this is actually a "play on words" regarding "taxed into poverty", but just in case its not, why should we not see major tax increases kick in at least by the second year of an Obama administration (I "think" Bush tax policy will be in effect into first year of next admin)? Obama has been stumping on some major tax increases so with a Democrat house and senate and then a White House, why should we not see this take hold? |
||
|
Strange
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
| Funny, you seem to be all over the place, what with your support of Ron Paul. I stand by my beliefs, not because I think I am "holier than thou" but because I am not afraid to make "judgments" (I call it "discernment") about what's right and wrong, and I am not afraid to say so. If you think it makes me holier than you, so be it. It's not what I think or feel, though. In fact, I see every life as precious, yours included. I dare to speak about God, because I believe in him. But I'm supposed to shut up, and you're not the first one to tell me so, because you don't like my opinions. Funny how liberals, which I believe you are, are always telling someone like me to shut up, while out of the other side of your mouth you spew some drivel about "tolerance". Some tolerance. But I digress. Your comment about adoption "only being for the wealthy" is pure baloney. I personally know someone who was not wealthy by any means, yet he and his wife adopted a baby. I believe some reporter at the Chronicle also adopted a child. Ask him if he's wealthy. Also, the babies wouldn't "pile up" if people would be more responsible concerning their activities before they ever became pregnant. Funny thing, sex ed was supposed to make that happen. I don't know how many people you think our society and/or government has killed, but I'd like to know. And don't tell me about the wars without telling me about why we were in the wars. Even so, read about Stalin and the communist government. Under Stalin, 20 million of his OWN PEOPLE were killed in his own country. Also, if our government is so terrible, what have the democrats and liberals ever done to make it better? I do agree with you somewhat concerning running around to every country trying to "fix" things. There is plenty to do in our own country. However, had we taken that attitude with Hitler, we might all very well be speaking German today - and maybe you wouldn't even be here, having possibly been aborted. | |
|
RE: Strange
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
It costs several thousand dollars to adopt. I know-my son and his wife adopted two boys at different times. They were older, too, so they weren't "ideal," but it was still exorbitant. They're both a blessing and we're tickled they're here, but don't think it' a cheap proposition. Their folks paid on the adoptions for years. You seem to like spouting rhetoric. I've heard all these pat answers for years, but they all are meaningless if we don't knuckle down and look after our fellow man. Every time Democrats are brought up, some Republican somehow works Hitler or Stalin into the conversation. Neither were Democrats. And as far as dictatorships go, under Bush's regime we're closer to one than at any time in the history of the US. Oh, Danie, I like Ron Paul too. He's pro life. I'd vote for him, but that would take one more vote away from our chance to keep McCain out of the White House. I hate that it works that way in this country-other countries seem to be able to have more than two major parties, why can't we. Oh yeah, greed and a hunger for power. (What was I thinking?!!) |
||
|
On the fence
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
|
I'm on the fence...I'd classify myself as a Republican, and have a tendency to vote that way but it's not above, or below, if you will, me to vote for a Democrat. I liked Obama because he had a message; a vague message, but a message none the less; I didn't hear a word out of McCain about his ideas for this country and to be quite honest, I still really don't know where stands on what or where he wants to guide this country to. I am pro-life as far as abortion and the elderly are concerned but not for criminals who have taken the life of another, especially the life of a child, but that's another argument. I read today that Senator Obama did not support a bill that came into the Illinois legislature regarding Induced Labor births and it made my stomach turn. As far as conservatives labeling Democrats and/or liberals as having Communist or Socialist leanings, it is what it is. Study Communism and Socialism and then proceed to tell me how a national healthcare system and other social government programs do not fall into a Communist or Socialist theory? And, while we're on it, Democrats love to throw labels onto Republicans and/or conservatives. You know what, I pay enough in taxes and I work my butt off to help my husband make a great life for my family and frankly, I don't feel that it's my responsibility or obligation to pay for someone elses doctors bills, welfare, food stamps and the like and I don't expect anyone to pay for mine! For everyone that likes to blame our President and former Presidents for our woes; go thank your Congressmen and Representatives for the mess we're in, they're the ones who pass the laws. |
|
|
RE: On the fence
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
Hey MM - tell a handicapped person who is unable to walk, or work for that matter, that their social security money is part of an evil socialist program. Those disabled folks are the biggest freeloaders (please read with sarcasm). Also, when you retire, do you plan to not draw on your social security? I know, I know....you paid into the system so you plan to get your money back out. What will you do for insurance when you retire? Thankfully there's some benefit with Medicare to help out. I know, I know...you paid into the system so you plan to get your money back out. Are these inefficient bureaucratic programs? Absolutely. Are they beneficial to maintain our society and way of life? Absolutely. All it takes is a little bad luck, an injury, a birth defect for a person to need government assistance. Sure, you may be the kind of resourceful person with strong family support who doesn't need help from the government, but you'd be in the minority. We all pay plenty of taxes. If you think you pay a lot of taxes, I'd be happy to compare my tax bill against yours. I am not happy that my money is paying the interest on the national debt, the war, etc. Labels are thrown at the liberal crowd too, ad infinitum - heck, all you have to do is listen to local talk radio from Rush Limbaugh to Tamara Hall. It is a constant din of belittling, name calling, lying and twisting. |
||
|
RE: On the fence
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
Danie, you makes some valid points. I guess I was too general in my statement regarding social security and all of that. I believe it's a great thing for people who do not have the ability to care for themselves; it should not be used for people who pop out babies left and right, or for people who just refuse to work. Also, I do not plan to draw on the Social Security I've been paying into because it mostly likely will not be available to me when I reach retirement age..so, I've got 34 good long years to increase my IRA. You're right, everyone pays a lot of taxes, however, don't patronize me by assuming that what you pay in taxes is more than my husband and I do; I don't purport to pay more than you so don't purport to pay more than me. Conservatives and Liberals, Republicans and Democrats need to learn how to work together instead of constantly tearing each other apart...listening to the other before barking off their opinion and slashing into the other might be a good first step in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Republican lover nor am I a Democrat lover; I just want the right PEOPLE in government to move our country forward and make good sound decisions. |
||
|
RE: On the fence
|
(2 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
Why does everybody (conservatives) think that Democrats equate "opportunity" with welfare and handouts? Everything I hear the Democrats say has jobs and opportunity at the core. Every speaker at the DNC has called for an end to outsourcing and for our jobs to come back to us, instead of the Chinese. Yes, some people will always need assistance, and some will abuse the system, but given the choice most people would just as soon have a chance at a real job with real money. |
||
|
Who 2 chose..?
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
|
I watched the Saddleback forum and was impressed with both candidates. Obama turned me off with his lawyer like answers but he still impresses me and is a very intelligent man. McCain seemed more "folksy" and had shorter answers...but he saw them in advance. To me...it comes down to a change. This country can't handle another 4 years of GOP trickle down and saber rattling. The economy is on very shaky ground and I feel sorry for who ever wins in November. They are going to inherit a mess. The campaign is starting to get stupid too. McCain wears $520 shoes! So What? He's a millionaire several times over! Obama went to Hawaii..!!! Gasp! Who Cares! Lets get this election over with!! |
|
|
Not happy with Bush either
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
|
Some of you seem to be assuming that because I have conservative leanings, I'm a Bush supporter. To the contrary, I think he's been a disaster, particularly when it comes to the issue of immigration. Although I did vote for him, I did so holding my nose, because I had a deep feeling back then that he would fail us on the illegal immigration issue. As far as me supporting government healthcare, etc., I do not need to study communism or socialism to know that such programs are communistic/socialistic in nature, and I never said I supported them. In fact, I don't know that we can create a national healthcare system that wouldn't be a disaster for all concerned. Even Canadians are coming to the U.S. to get their healthcare because their system is flawed. As for the "rhetoric" I spew, Mrs. Claus - Webster's dictionary defines rhetoric as "the art of speaking or writing effectively", so thank you for the compliment. Let me reiterate that McCain falls short of what I would like to see in a president, but I will still vote for him and I think Obama will be a far worse president. I still kills me that you guys think he is going to do so much for our economy! I ask you, at whose expense? Mitchelmausen, I agree very much with you regarding our Congressmen and Representatives - they've done an extremely poor job. Mrs. Claus, I think there are many democrats with very socialist and downright communist leanings, and will not hesitate to say so. I bring up Hitler, maybe as an extreme example, I'll grant you that, but nonetheless there are many people (Democrats, particularly) who would be surprised to know that they are following many of the socialist leanings that Hitler had. I also bring up the war with Germany as an example of a war that needed to be fought on moral grounds. Do I believe we should be all over the place constantly fighting wars? No, but some situations absolutely call for it. I hate to think what our country would be like if Hitler had taken it over. Mrs. Claus, I DID HELP PREVENT AN ABORTION! THAT BEAUTIFUL CHILD IS NOW ALIVE, AND VERY MUCH WANTED AND LOVED! I do care about the "ones already here" as well and have helped with child-related causes many times. As a Christian, I do not see how you can stand by and give up on the "killing of the innocents". What other evils will you stand by and tolerate as a Christian, just giving up because "none of the presidents has stopped abortion"? I'm not sure what you mean about us acting like "real Americans" because from what you've said, I think your definition of "American" differs from mine. |
|
|
RE: Not happy with Bush either
|
(1 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
I think it is interesting that the issue of racism-driven bias of immigration reform wasn't a major issue until 4Q/2001? So a political structure that is organized to not assist/support its citizens is inherently better than socialism? Really? I should clarify that I believe a socialist platform is not necessarily the way to go. I'm just pointing out that we should focus our collective energy on our own country a bit more. As a proclaimed Christian, I'm not sure how you sleep at night, AlphaBeagle. |
||
|
RE: Not happy with Bush either
|
(1 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
| I reiterate-just what the heck have the republicans done about abortion? And what about all those Iraqi and Palestinian innocents? Oh, and all our soldiers? | ||
|
Why in the world do you think illegal immigration is "racism-driven"?
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
| I'm assuming you think I'm against Hispanics. In fact, I have some very good friends that are Hispanic. ILLEGAL immigration applies to all races, to anybody who comes here ILLEGALLY and works and lives here ILLEGALLY. Also, our constitution and government was constructed to assist and support the ordinary man, the ordinary citizen, and it has done a better job of it than any system in the world. You tell me a system that's better. I do agree with you that we need to focus our energy on our own country a bit more because we're in trouble. We are straying from our constitution and form of government more and more. I sleep very well at night as a Christian, thank you, because I pray and study my bible. Do you? | |
|
RE: Why in the world do you think illegal immigration is "racism-driven"?
|
(1 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
All I said was the illegal immigration issue wasn't apparently a huge problem until after 9/11. In reality, immigration "problems" have been around for decades. Then, out of no where, it became an main issue because the terrorists were able to easily enter the US. The matter of illegal immigration is an excuse for racism and isolationism. It is just another vehicle for some to show their true colors. I forgot to add that the Swedish form of socialist government seems to work fine for its citizens. Maybe that could be a model for us? Hmmm, I think I know your answer to that one. I sleep great, and I don't fear God or believe in magic, particularly in the way it is used in this day and age. |
||
|
Choices
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
|
A comment on the original content of the post. I am finding that although I'm not changing my vote, I am not casting it with the same enthusiam I am probably supposed to. And the temptation is there not to vote. I consider myself a liberal for the most part and will vote for Obama, but as the election process drags on, it seems like both candidates are trying to move as close to the center as their parties allow to the extent that it doesn't seem to matter. Vote for Change? That's rhetoric. Still, as a liberal, what choice do I have other than Obama? |
|
|
We have much in common
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
| Although we are on opposite sides of the fence, Art, it sounds like we both share the same frustrations. We're not really pleased with the choices we've been offered, and are once again forced into a position of voting for what we believe to be the "lesser of two evils". This presidential election feels just like the last one to me, and that's very discouraging. | |
|
Re: danie and illegal immigration issue
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
(reply) |
| I agree with you the problem was present before 911, but it did become more urgent after 911 due to the added problem of terrorists. So what? It wasn't a racial thing then, and it isn't now. I don't understand why you aren't upset over the fact that many illegals are treated better in this country than our own CITIZENS. They have gotten medical care at OUR expense, while you must pay for your own, for example. Look at the financial mess a couple of illegal aliens left for a Florida hospital. That hospital spent over $3 million dollars on care for two illegal aliens, who are now suing the hospital after being sent back home to their own country. Many hospitals are closing because of financial ruin. Thank you, illegal aliens. Thank you, shady employers for putting your own country's citizens out of good paying jobs because you can hire illegal aliens cheaper. Thank you, rich hollywood movie stars for hiring illegal aliens to clean your toilets (and paying them cheaply to do it), so you can run around spouting your drivel about poverty, global warming and whatever other liberal causes you can think of to spout from your high-school educated brain (many actors and actresses don't even have a high school diploma). We can use your great wealth of knowledge about these subjects. As for Sweden, why don't you go there? But, I wouldn't put leave any money in a bank in that country, because you won't be allowed to take it back to America with you, should you change your mind about your "stay". A guy I know whose of Swedish descent found that out when he tried to take his money back home to America. Also, while he was there, he was looking out over a "scenic" point when someone came up to him and motioned to a sign which said, in essence, "most beautiful view over here". It was a government sign. I guess that government even decides what the best view for you is in Sweden. | |
|
RE: Re: danie and illegal immigration issue
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
|
AlphaBeagle, you seem a little bitter. You've bought in to all of the conservative racist rantings regarding illegal immigration. I've heard all the lies about how "they" get better health care, treatment, and so on. Aside for a couple of unusual examples it is not the typical situation. Anyone, (white, hispanic, so on) can walk into an ER and get treated. No physician in their right mind would treat one better than the other due to liability. About Sweden - I worked in Sweden for 4 months in 1995 on a hydroelectric dam project. I maintained a bank account (in Swedish Kronas) while I was there and never had a problem withdrawing my money when I moved back home. I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. I was recently in Glacier Nat. Park. It seems to me that I stopped at many "scenic view points" indicated by signs posted by our government all over the park. Seems like we're following in Sweden's footsteps on a march toward socialism! Oh no, we're doomed! |
||
|
RE: Re: danie and illegal immigration issue
|
(0 votes)
(report abuse)
|
|
| I was watching a PBS special report the other night and they were showcasing all the Iraqi "refugees" that are living in the surrounding areas. Most were middle to upper class prior to the war and eventually fled their countries and have spent all their savings and are now scrapping by. What is interesting to me is that they live in countries where they are not allowed to work......and I guess they have not found employer's willing to hire them illegally. How is it that we are unable to deal with this illegal mess more by dealing with the unethical/unmoral greedy businesses? I realize that we still need to deport illegals and I realize that yes they are costing us millions of dollars, but would they still be coming across the border in droves if there were NO jobs? The price employers pay is not as high as it needs to be and the number of times it will take to really pay the price is too hi | ||