The truth about the law....

Some of you out there are a little angry about my articles depicting the police of our fair little town as some what over paid and under used....now I would like to clear up my actual belief of them....

The concept of officer of the peace is in fact a great idea, because in a modern society you need a uniformed set of laws that govern everybody and everybody knows so that everyone is on a level playing field. However, over the years that perception, and it is part to do with busy bodies allowing them to, has warped into police being a governing body backed by a powerful militia that instead of simply keeping the peace they enforce rules and regulations that they should have no control over. Like a officer of the peace should not arrest you for not wearing a seat belt...Where does that warrant being pulled over? They have warped from officers of the peace to Police Officers. A combat ready units that enforce, control, and regulate the citizens of the nation.

Furthermore, another bone I have with them is the fact that their motto is "to protect and serve" It should be "to deceive and arrest" In the police academy they teach officers how to get people, unwillingly and unknowingly give up their basic rights granted us under the constitution. Instead of informing you what your rights are they try to deny you as many as they can. You don't believe me? Check it out...most of these things come from the ACLU

When a officer first approaches your car what is the first this he asks you? Do you know why I pulled you over? Any answer but no automatically avoids your right not self incriminate yourself. If you say, "I think I was speeding..." right there you gave up your right to not self incriminate yourself. Do they tell you this no.....

Also the reasonable cause they can search your car without a warrant. I have had my car searched because the officer "smelled" weed. That is borderline ridiculous because I don't smoke, but he had reasonable cause to search. He of course found nothing...but he smelled it....ummm

A police officer won't tell you that the roadside sobriety test or portable breathalysers that the officers carry do not hold up in court. The only reason they give them to you is to see if they should arrest you take you down town and make you take the real one, the real breathalyser is a large box down at the station. The consequence for refusing a sobriety test or road side breath test is a fine, that is it, yet they will allow you to believe that the test they are administering is the real deal and refusal will mean license suspension.

They ask you trick questions that when you give a basic answer void the need to get a warrant to search your property.

Also, police have no problems with lying right to your face...watch cops sometime, see how a officer will talk to one suspect then turn around and tell another suspect a completely different story then the one they just heard, to try to get a confession out of someone. This takes away their 5th amendment, which says that no person shall be called upon to be a witness against himself. However, the police just got the suspect to wave that right.

Also, they have unwritten codes of conduct that allow certain people to break the law, while entrapping others. Take this for example. My ex roommate's dad was a life long high way patrol officer and my roommate had never received any kind of citation or ticket. He said he had been pulled over multiple times drunk, high on drugs, speeding, reckless driving, yet some how had never received a ticket, because most of the officers knew his dad on a first name basis....even if they didn't know my rm they knew the last name. One story he told me that he had been at a party, underage, and was driving home drunk, when he was pulled over for swerving, the officer simply allowed him to go, drunk, underage, and even let him drive, he did however followed him home to make sure he got there.....wow. That wasn't the only story he had tons of them.

Ask a police officer if he would give jump in front of a bullet for a fellow officer...ok then ask him if he would lie in court for a fellow officer....ummm kind of funny that a police officer will take a bullet for a fellow officer but won't lie in court for them...yea right, there are countless stories of officers lying for each other and or covering up info...

Ask them if there is a code of conduct about "snitching" on a fellow officer...even if the fellow officer is breaking the law, the reality is that none of the other officers are going to report it...unless it is very serious.

Also, the constitution was set up so that it was weighted towards the common man, however, the laws following it have been weighted toward the police. If you are given a ticket, the only way to get it revoked is to show up in court. That is why police look for out of state residents, because if they hand out even a hundred dollars, what is the likely hood that the person is going to drive from their house to the court house multiple times. The first time is on how you plead, then you get a court date, so on.

Another issue is that the DA, is more interested in covering up bad police, rather than removing them. Look at a local case, the DA did nothing to the officers, and I am sure that such a high profile case had more than one, who repeatedly denied Lebrum access to a lawyer. What do you say to that officer? Good job? No, look at cases around the country of officers committing terrible crimes and walking pretty much scott free.

Esteban Carpio, was beaten so badly by officers that he suffered brain damage. He was handcuffed taken away, and when he appeared in court the next day, wow, he was beaten so badly that he was pretty much un recognizable. The officers responsible for doing this, got off scott free because the DA didn't think it was worth going after them.

During the Civil Rights movement, about 40 or so years ago, police used dogs, high pressure water hoses, and beatings to keep people from demonstrating their rights. What ever happened to those officers? Nothing, the DA refused to go after them.

Look at the Dade County Police Dept. over 20 officers were indicted for corruption, money laundering, or distribution of cocaine. These are police officers, the very men we pay to stop bad guys. You want to know who indicted these men, the feds, because the DA wouldn't.

Sean Bell, killed by NYC under cover police offices who ordered Sean Bell to raise his hands yet never identified himself as a officer, the officers fired 51 shots, one officers fired 30 by himself, that is firing and reloading 3 times. The officers were later cleared off all wrong by a judge because he didn't like Sean's friends, the court did not find them “credible.” The prosecution later found a more “credible” source in a local drug dealer who testified that Sean had attacked him, this was of course a plea bargain.

Now you might be saying to yourself, all those stories JBR those are of other officers, not my local officers, those guys are good, not like all the other ones you mentioned. Well, what is the difference between them, the local ones here call the ones over there “fellow officers” they aren't any different.

Finally, even when a officer is convicted and sent to jail, the likely hood that he will be in jail is small, usually they segregate the police officers off from the general population. Why? Because in the pecking order of prison, police, chimos, and rapist make up the bottom of the stack. Yet, most people say, who cares of a chimo or rapist is stabbed in prison, if they can't do the time don't do the crime, yet why give convicted felons special treatment just because they were at one time a cop? Oh, Mr. Officer if you can't do the time, don't do the crime....right? Any cop will tell you, if they ever get sent to jail, the likely hood of them ever walking out alive is small, unless they are segregated from the rest of the population. We should say, no segregation in prison, not for cops, not for chimos, not for rapist, not for anyone.

I like to sit around and laugh at people who stick their heads in the sand and scream that all the police are good, when it is self evident that not all are good. You scream down the people who try to point out the bad apples by saying that, oh he hates the police because he is a criminal, or because he wants to break the law. Ok, no I am tired of giving police officers pass when they commit crimes because they represent the law, they can break it?

Any way my friends, bang on your key boards, yell scream, type in my url and plan my demise, call you local police officer up and give them my name and tell them to deal with me....the voice of reason and truth can not be stopped, all that I have laid out is facts, facts shall rule the day, so in closing, please save your sob stories or emotionally charged arguments for someone who cares, because I don't. If you want to have a real debate feel free to chime in, but do your research, and don't pull crap off the top of your head. Like many people do to try to respond to my articles.
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You are the bad apple byflyfish4fun4 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
You are so completely wrong about everything. Wow! JBR sounds like a pissed off teenager that can't take his lumps from a traffic citation. Of course this is pure speculation, but apparently it's okay for everyone else to be accountable and have consequences, but if JBR is held accountable (like anyone else would be) he power-whines on message boards.

grow up please
RE: You are the bad apple bycowgirlmedic4 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse)
LOL, power whines. I like it
I don't remember anyone saying that all police are good bydclxvinoise4 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
You laugh at people who say that all police are good, yet you are essentially saying that all police are bad. I think that anyone would willingly acknowledge that there are police officers who are corrupt or abuse their authority. These are the people who give the police a bad name. Why not attack them?
RE: I don't remember anyone saying that all police are good byjohnbrownraider4 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse)
You see dcxvinoise the problem is that the question you worded is one of age old arguments, i was just following orders whatever and so on....take a look at these examples in history and tell me if the police, who might not be bad are guilty as their guilty counterparts....

Adolf Eichmann
Are you guilty by association?
Can you be held responsible for your actions even if you are following orders....

Are they just little eichmann?? who knows??

Are they just battle droids being popped out of a factory...aka police academy and we need to go back and reprogram them? And their short falls are not their fault?

The bottom line is who is to blame?

The people committing the crimes?
The peoples supporting the crimes?
The people ordering them?
The list goes on and on.....

Question to you from me is this...do we treat them like little Eichmann, we don't hold them responsible for their actions??
May be on to something.... bydanie0064 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
When the crap hits the fan who do you think the government will recruit to turn on the citizens?...try the National Guard and the local police.

They took firearms away from the residents on New Orleans, essentially creating a police state. What'll happen when the next disaster hits?

This is hardly paranoia - we recently seen it happen. I was in New Orleans when the police order was enacted. It was pretty scary.
Ostriches my friend.....stick to fly fishing...... byjohnbrownraider4 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
You see buddy if I am a rotten apple then you got bushels and bushels of them....You got whole generations and communities of young and old people who watch TV and see police abuse of their power.

Or maybe you and your buddies are the ostriches with their head in the sand and so you can't see the rest of us...or you don't want to....

but alas my dear sandy buddy there is help for you, you can always pull your head out of the sand, and shake it from your ears......or you don't have to...

Also, America is a country by the people for the people.....not by the people run by the police....ummm think about it....
You get one point for this: bysouthward4 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse)
"You got whole generations and communities of young and old people who watch TV and see police abuse of their power."

Sorry folks, not to encourage him, but there is a point here. Not his point about real cops, but the ones on TV.

Since we refuse to pay for TV, we currently receive two channels over the air, and one of them is the old-folks network that shows police/lawyer/crime scene shows nonstop during prime time. The characters have sympathetic background stories that let us understand they only want to do good. So we naturally understand later when they have to "bend the rules" to save the day.

Sometimes the lab technicians are cops, sometimes the lawyers are cops, and now sometimes even the vampires are cops.

They have all the latest technology, and sometimes even super-powers. Their hunches always work out, and the DNA is always processed by the time the other guy gets back from coffee break. In Montana, cases with DNA evidence are backlogged to the point that some could be thrown out for taking too long and violating a defendant's rights.

The fed employs private PR firms to manage its image. In the 90's, TV producers could get financial incentives for placing government-approved messages about drugs into their shows. Is it a stretch to imagine incentives for messages of tolerance for police power?

Taken together with the erosion of civics and history curricula in public schools and the continued progress of laws designed for spying or denying people's righs, it makes me a little uneasy about where we are headed in terms of our tolerance for abuse. So in that narrow capacity, I agree with JBR.
dispute it....any of it.... byjohnbrownraider4 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
my challenge to you guys is this...talk to a police officer about whether or not they ask specific questions to trick people....or dispute any point in the article .....you can't...it air tight...
puff, puff pass.... puff, puff, pass... bytwotree4 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
So let us get this straight. We have no actual facts or personal one on one time with anyone group of police officers. Most of this comes from media sources, but we don't properly quote any one source or allow any person here to follow up on these accusations that are being made. And or, I might be taking a guess here, we watch just a little too much CSI or something.

And since I saw it on TV, it must be truth.

I can take you up on that challenge, and I know for a fact that those that I know in the police are not what you claim. These people will not agree with any of the things you state. But guess what, they will still be those who will come to your door and make sure you are safe and protect you. And it doesn't matter who your are, and or what your beliefs are about them.

They will do their jobs.

So it must be great to sit back and bash these very people that will do that for you, and understand that you will still be safe. And I am sure that right after they would do this, you would turn around and stab these same people in the back with your words.

Again, like I stated before, you are a minority in your thoughts.

I will give you a little story. I was found on the side of the road by a state patrol officer, and I was dead under my vechicle. This officer was able to bring me back with CPR, and take care of me until the ambulance arrived on location. And of course, there were many others that are heroes in my little story. But it all started with this one person, the very person that you state in your personal feelings as being somebody that does nothing. I am here today because of this person, and this officer, because he went beyond the call of duty, and did make a difference.

You must live a very protected life, and have very narrow view points on this, and many other things.

You are so wrong on this subject, in so many ways. And the funny thing is, you have no idea. It is obvious in your assumptions, and your supposive facts.
Sorry, John...no Mulligans. byEd.4 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
For those of you who have not read John's other post on this subject, let me tell you what happened. He lost the argument. Now he wants a do-over. In his first post, his sources were a Hollywood movie and a TV channel. This time it is what appears to be re-runs of Law & Order, oh, and the ACLU. He appears to want to overwhelm us with his verbosity. His diatribe is so long and disjointed that it is next to impossible to follow. You will have difficulty refuting it, because it doesn't make sense and you cannot argue the nonsensiscal. But, it is the truth because the title of his post is: "The Truth About The Law...". That settles it.

John, it's so pitiful to see you do this to yourself.

"The voice of reason and truth can not be stopped, all that I have laid out is facts, facts shall rule the day..." There can be no voice of REASON when there is no REASON in anything you have said, and just because you say it is true, doesn't make it truth. As for the facts, you don't spell 'fact' O-P-I-N-I-O-N. You're telling stories and you're not doing a very good job of it. You're asking us to refute "facts" that you have not substantiated, but you don't have to because, as you so elloquently put it: "...it air tight...".

You say "...America is a country by the people for the people.....not by the people run by the police....ummm think about it...". (The correct quote, by the way, is: "...a GOVERNMENT of the people, by the people and for the people..."). It is the people who hire the police to enforce the laws. We want them, we pay them with our taxes (your contribution is sincerely appreciated) and we support them. Just like any other employer, when we find one not doing his job, we relieve him of his duty. We do not undermine the work that we are paying him to do, particularly when our well-being depends on it.

I guess it comes down to this: We are always going to have police. We need them. Our society could not exist without them. Laws and law enforcement are requisites for an orderly society. You don't have to like them, but you better pray that when you need them, they are on the job and they put the same effort into keeping you alive as they put into keeping themselves alive.

To any police officers who might read this, "Thank you", and please don't hold this against John. He just watches too much television.
Time to go back to basic reading 101.... byjohnbrownraider4 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
JBR said this..."The concept of officer of the peace is in fact a great idea, because in a modern society you need a uniformed set of laws that govern everybody and everybody knows so that everyone is on a level playing field."

Ok, now that you have re read the post and I pointed out to you that I never said I wanted the police dpt. abolished it is safe to say that I think that we should curb some of the power that we give them....Instead with give them a free hand to do as they please whether it breaks the law or not and then fail to punish them...

I am glad that the officer was there at the time to save your life twotree...or revive you...however, I am sure that Rodney King, Sean Bell, or Esteban Carpio did not have the same rose smelling encounter with the police...So to say all are good is retarded and I never said all were bad...
RE: Time to go back to basic reading 101.... byalamator4 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse)
Original post too long. My ADD won't allow me to read it all. :)

I also have a hard time reading posts where the author refers to himself in the 3rd person. LOL :)

Don't lump all LEO's in one group. Remember..they are there to protect & serve.
Southward...do you own a tv?? byjohnbrownraider4 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
You must have missed a large portion of school....just a guess...lol....i am not talking about your stupid little sitcoms....I guess you never saw a civil rights marches on TV....or the Rodney King beating on tv...or countless others caught on random video....wow good thing that we got sn because you would be laughed at as the local idiot if we didn't....