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You are the bad apple
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You are so completely wrong about everything. Wow! JBR sounds like a pissed off teenager that can't take his lumps from a traffic citation. Of course this is pure speculation, but apparently it's okay for everyone else to be accountable and have consequences, but if JBR is held accountable (like anyone else would be) he power-whines on message boards. grow up please |
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I don't remember anyone saying that all police are good
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| You laugh at people who say that all police are good, yet you are essentially saying that all police are bad. I think that anyone would willingly acknowledge that there are police officers who are corrupt or abuse their authority. These are the people who give the police a bad name. Why not attack them? | |
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You see dcxvinoise the problem is that the question you worded is one of age old arguments, i was just following orders whatever and so on....take a look at these examples in history and tell me if the police, who might not be bad are guilty as their guilty counterparts.... Adolf Eichmann Are you guilty by association? Can you be held responsible for your actions even if you are following orders.... Are they just little eichmann?? who knows?? Are they just battle droids being popped out of a factory...aka police academy and we need to go back and reprogram them? And their short falls are not their fault? The bottom line is who is to blame? The people committing the crimes? The peoples supporting the crimes? The people ordering them? The list goes on and on..... Question to you from me is this...do we treat them like little Eichmann, we don't hold them responsible for their actions?? |
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May be on to something....
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When the crap hits the fan who do you think the government will recruit to turn on the citizens?...try the National Guard and the local police. They took firearms away from the residents on New Orleans, essentially creating a police state. What'll happen when the next disaster hits? This is hardly paranoia - we recently seen it happen. I was in New Orleans when the police order was enacted. It was pretty scary. |
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Ostriches my friend.....stick to fly fishing......
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You see buddy if I am a rotten apple then you got bushels and bushels of them....You got whole generations and communities of young and old people who watch TV and see police abuse of their power. Or maybe you and your buddies are the ostriches with their head in the sand and so you can't see the rest of us...or you don't want to.... but alas my dear sandy buddy there is help for you, you can always pull your head out of the sand, and shake it from your ears......or you don't have to... Also, America is a country by the people for the people.....not by the people run by the police....ummm think about it.... |
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You get one point for this:
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"You got whole generations and communities of young and old people who watch TV and see police abuse of their power." Sorry folks, not to encourage him, but there is a point here. Not his point about real cops, but the ones on TV. Since we refuse to pay for TV, we currently receive two channels over the air, and one of them is the old-folks network that shows police/lawyer/crime scene shows nonstop during prime time. The characters have sympathetic background stories that let us understand they only want to do good. So we naturally understand later when they have to "bend the rules" to save the day. Sometimes the lab technicians are cops, sometimes the lawyers are cops, and now sometimes even the vampires are cops. They have all the latest technology, and sometimes even super-powers. Their hunches always work out, and the DNA is always processed by the time the other guy gets back from coffee break. In Montana, cases with DNA evidence are backlogged to the point that some could be thrown out for taking too long and violating a defendant's rights. The fed employs private PR firms to manage its image. In the 90's, TV producers could get financial incentives for placing government-approved messages about drugs into their shows. Is it a stretch to imagine incentives for messages of tolerance for police power? Taken together with the erosion of civics and history curricula in public schools and the continued progress of laws designed for spying or denying people's righs, it makes me a little uneasy about where we are headed in terms of our tolerance for abuse. So in that narrow capacity, I agree with JBR. |
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dispute it....any of it....
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| my challenge to you guys is this...talk to a police officer about whether or not they ask specific questions to trick people....or dispute any point in the article .....you can't...it air tight... | |
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puff, puff pass.... puff, puff, pass...
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So let us get this straight. We have no actual facts or personal one on one time with anyone group of police officers. Most of this comes from media sources, but we don't properly quote any one source or allow any person here to follow up on these accusations that are being made. And or, I might be taking a guess here, we watch just a little too much CSI or something. And since I saw it on TV, it must be truth. I can take you up on that challenge, and I know for a fact that those that I know in the police are not what you claim. These people will not agree with any of the things you state. But guess what, they will still be those who will come to your door and make sure you are safe and protect you. And it doesn't matter who your are, and or what your beliefs are about them. They will do their jobs. So it must be great to sit back and bash these very people that will do that for you, and understand that you will still be safe. And I am sure that right after they would do this, you would turn around and stab these same people in the back with your words. Again, like I stated before, you are a minority in your thoughts. I will give you a little story. I was found on the side of the road by a state patrol officer, and I was dead under my vechicle. This officer was able to bring me back with CPR, and take care of me until the ambulance arrived on location. And of course, there were many others that are heroes in my little story. But it all started with this one person, the very person that you state in your personal feelings as being somebody that does nothing. I am here today because of this person, and this officer, because he went beyond the call of duty, and did make a difference. You must live a very protected life, and have very narrow view points on this, and many other things. You are so wrong on this subject, in so many ways. And the funny thing is, you have no idea. It is obvious in your assumptions, and your supposive facts. |
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Sorry, John...no Mulligans.
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For those of you who have not read John's other post on this subject, let me tell you what happened. He lost the argument. Now he wants a do-over. In his first post, his sources were a Hollywood movie and a TV channel. This time it is what appears to be re-runs of Law & Order, oh, and the ACLU. He appears to want to overwhelm us with his verbosity. His diatribe is so long and disjointed that it is next to impossible to follow. You will have difficulty refuting it, because it doesn't make sense and you cannot argue the nonsensiscal. But, it is the truth because the title of his post is: "The Truth About The Law...". That settles it. John, it's so pitiful to see you do this to yourself. "The voice of reason and truth can not be stopped, all that I have laid out is facts, facts shall rule the day..." There can be no voice of REASON when there is no REASON in anything you have said, and just because you say it is true, doesn't make it truth. As for the facts, you don't spell 'fact' O-P-I-N-I-O-N. You're telling stories and you're not doing a very good job of it. You're asking us to refute "facts" that you have not substantiated, but you don't have to because, as you so elloquently put it: "...it air tight...". You say "...America is a country by the people for the people.....not by the people run by the police....ummm think about it...". (The correct quote, by the way, is: "...a GOVERNMENT of the people, by the people and for the people..."). It is the people who hire the police to enforce the laws. We want them, we pay them with our taxes (your contribution is sincerely appreciated) and we support them. Just like any other employer, when we find one not doing his job, we relieve him of his duty. We do not undermine the work that we are paying him to do, particularly when our well-being depends on it. I guess it comes down to this: We are always going to have police. We need them. Our society could not exist without them. Laws and law enforcement are requisites for an orderly society. You don't have to like them, but you better pray that when you need them, they are on the job and they put the same effort into keeping you alive as they put into keeping themselves alive. To any police officers who might read this, "Thank you", and please don't hold this against John. He just watches too much television. |
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Time to go back to basic reading 101....
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JBR said this..."The concept of officer of the peace is in fact a great idea, because in a modern society you need a uniformed set of laws that govern everybody and everybody knows so that everyone is on a level playing field." Ok, now that you have re read the post and I pointed out to you that I never said I wanted the police dpt. abolished it is safe to say that I think that we should curb some of the power that we give them....Instead with give them a free hand to do as they please whether it breaks the law or not and then fail to punish them... I am glad that the officer was there at the time to save your life twotree...or revive you...however, I am sure that Rodney King, Sean Bell, or Esteban Carpio did not have the same rose smelling encounter with the police...So to say all are good is retarded and I never said all were bad... |
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Original post too long. My ADD won't allow me to read it all. :) I also have a hard time reading posts where the author refers to himself in the 3rd person. LOL :) Don't lump all LEO's in one group. Remember..they are there to protect & serve. |
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Southward...do you own a tv??
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| You must have missed a large portion of school....just a guess...lol....i am not talking about your stupid little sitcoms....I guess you never saw a civil rights marches on TV....or the Rodney King beating on tv...or countless others caught on random video....wow good thing that we got sn because you would be laughed at as the local idiot if we didn't.... | |