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| OOPS - should be "discovering" not discorering - OOPS | |
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RE: C o r r e c t i o n
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Just use the "EDIT" by the (report abuse) and fix it. No big deal. I read this "Letter to the Editor" this morning. I also am tired of various past and present religious groups/sects/leaders/prophets such as Dobson, Falwell,Joseph Smith Jr., Brigham Young, etc.) entering into politics throught the "back door," flexing their muscle. It's called "block voting." Seems the followers of these men respond to the wishes of their leaders like lemmings, and do whatever their religious leaders tell them to do. Read up on the Muslim Religion. Just enough to get the basic history. The Muslim founder/leader also claimed to have found direction from the almighty in a cave, (something written in gold, similar to the LDS version Joseph Smith Jr. claimed he found written on gold tablets buried in the Hill Cumorah in New York State). The Muslim leader/prophet then proceeded to wipe out millions of people who refused to convert, and some Muslims still continue to do so today, all in the name of God (Allah). I hope you are not referring/calling/labeling the writer/author of this letter to the editor "ignorant..." It is his opinion and he has a right to it. Christian belief is based on "faith." What if someone called your "faith" ignorant? Do you/we have "proof?" But we justify calling others "ignorant" who question beliefs. FYI: I believe in God and Jesus though I have no proof other than my faith in God and Jesus. (That also "the Trinity" can be debated, by "Christians.") Recently, National Geographic Magazine purchased and spent a fortune to authenticate another "book" that was left out of the Holy Bible, which contradicts other books/teachings in the Bible... |
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| it was as though you were eating a PB&J!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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| It was a peanut butter and honey sandwich! | ||
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Glory to Cory
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| I'm glad Cory knows as much as, maybe even more than, God, the creator of the universe knows. Whatever would we do without Cory to believe in? | |
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C'mon berrymountain!
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| You don't think this Cory guy was insulting? Go back and read his letter! According to the great and wise Cory, anyone who believes in God is stupid. Fact is, any insult I or anyone else may have put forth, directly or implicity, is far milder than what Cory put forth. | |
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Cory's letter to the editor
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Cory's letter did "talk down" to those who believe in God. He's apparently not particpating in/on this blog, so we can't ask him "why" he believes this way. He's just being attacked, and can't respond. (Not everyone in Bozeman is logged onto Bozemantalks.com) I believe this is between he and God. I don't think any good will come of Christian's attacking him on a blog, nor do I see any goodness that will come of it. That's all. |
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Poor Cory is Picked On
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| Oh my goodness! Cory decides to attack Christians and Christianity, and suddenly HE's the one being attacked? I'm sorry, but I've seen far more letters to the editor bashing Christians than vice-versa. Most of the time Christians ignore these letters because they believe, as it is foretold in Revelations and other books of the bible, it's just part of the persecution coming upon them in the end times. As for this being between Cory and God - it certainly will be, and I expect God will have a lot of questions for him. But like you say, it's between Cory and God. | |
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RE: Poor Cory is Picked On
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Cory signed his name to his letter and could have requested anonymity. We blog anonymously. I have faith, so what he said does not upset me at all but makes me a bit sad. I believe/hope and pray that he will come to believe in God. Some of the best testimonies, are from those who once had no faith... |
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| I'm not sure you're correct about being able to request anonymity when it comes to letters to the editor. I don't believe I've ever seen one printed signed "anonymous". Whatever, I do agree with the last parts of your statements. After all, some of the apostles were theives, murderers and total unbelievers before they came to Christ. | |
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| I have seen several "Letters To The Editor" published anonymously, though name, address and phone must be verified by Chronicle "Policy." It is rare, but I have seen it. | ||
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Berrymountain - On Your Comments Two Days Ago
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| Just to go back to what you wrote two days ago - I absolutely agree with you that some "follow their leaders like lemmings". But those who do this are not heeding what the bible says, which is to "trust in no man". In other words, we must question our preachers, priests, whomever. I feel sorry for those who lost their faith because they were molested by a priest or some other church authority figure. God wants you to trust only in him and his son, Jesus. This is a drastic illustration of what can go wrong when you put all your trust and faith in man. Man is a fallen creature. We should do no different with our political leaders as well. We must always question authority and be on guard. | |
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"Trust in no man"
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I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote AlphaBeagle. 2 July 2008: CWRITE: Are you "Ron" who wrote a "Letter to the Editor," published in today's paper, responding to Cory's letter? I doubt that attacking Cory and his present beliefs, will persuade/sway/inspire Cory to examine his present beliefs? |
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Here's the Bad guy
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Okay. The dreaded Cory is here! Ad hominem away oh ye of stout religious faith! Why did I write what I wrote? Comparative religious studies and the heavy handed way in which the religious right try to use their personal beliefs as a means of political control over all people. People should vote their conscience, but using religion as a means to control is a great evil IMHO. I will attack the religious right as they attack those who don't kowtow to their whims. Contrary to the word circulating around town, I have read the Bible, many times. It is myth just like all ancient religion. Read Karen Armstrong's a History of God. monotheism arose from the tribal myths of the Hebaru peoples. their most ancient tribal lore was adapted from chaldean and other nation's lore. The hebarus simply adapted those tales to create a lore for themselves. Contrary to judeo-christian Dogma, Moses did not write the pentetauch. His name was attributed to the works to add some authenticity to them. This is called editing and playing polotics. the Pentetauch was written by 3 and perhaps even 4 authors. Most modern scholars agree with this point of view. Now as to my damned letter that has rattled so many feathers while causing others to call and qwrite to me in agreement... James Dobson criticized Barack Obama's religious statements as off base and polotically motivated. Here's the pot calling the kettle black. What has the religious right been doing for decades now? They have been twisting interpretations of scripture to push forth their political agenda at every turn. they use religion as the means to raise countless millions in hard and soft political money to sway any vote they can. Dobson and focus on the family have a certain view of the Bible and casdtigate Obama because he may or may not see the text in the same light. Since when did all Christians have to have the same absolutist view of the Bible?? Isn't there a different denomination on every street corner preaching something slightly different?? do we or do we not want religious freedom in America? Second point, and the most complex one to argue over...CI-100. This is a religious move to try and mandate that all human be defined as fully human with adult rights at the monent of conception. Can anyone but a religious mind regard this as true?? A human takes a long time to develope, weeks for the heart, months for even a murmur of a brain wave, etc etc. I do not trust in a religious definition of when life begins. the roots must be more based is science and a more complete national concensus regardless of philosophy or religious persuasion to define when an embryo, a clump of cells, is to be regarded as human. Trying to define human life from a mythological base is not the way to impose law on all potential mothers in America. just because someone down the street believes in a flying spaghetti monster that says it makes the human soul doen't mean a woman down the street must become a broodmare for the spaghetti monster. A national concensus apart from religion must be reached. And yes, I do say judeo-christianity is based on mythology! Can anyone with a straight face take the book of Genises as being historically accurate? How can you believe there was an actual Garden of Eden? How can you believe every species of animal lined up two by two and rode on an ark during a flood that covered the whole earth? where did all that water come from and where did it go to after the flood? Did the Nephalim actualy marry human females and breed a race of giants?? Did Methuzellah live 800+ years? It's mythology, not history. |
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"Flying Spaghetti Monster"
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Hi Cory, You didn't have to give yourself up. The "flying spaghetti monster" analogy, is pretty darn funny though! Also, you might have some fans on this blog, because many on this blog support candidates who believe in abortion/late term abortion, and even killing babies (yes babies/human beings) if they miraculously survive being chopped up, and or burned with acide while in the womb. Not exactly sure where you stand on this. So, you have something in commong with good Christians who also believe in chopping up human babies, but many get upset if Obama is called Osama. Now, that would be a big deal to them. |
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| Who supports killing babies? that's one I haven't heard yet. | ||
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I don't think Cory has read or thought about the above post. He just seems interested in defending his position. The Bible is a collection of stories gathered by early humans, more primitive than we, agreed, but possibly more insightful. |
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Lat's talk abortion then.
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Any thinking person, religious or otherwise, should regard abortion as a bad thing. I know some few women how have opted for it, but they have mental scars from such a traumatic decision, and rightly so. Just because an atheist questions when human life actually is human life does not mean empathy, sympathy, and compassion are tossed out the window with the bath water. We are all humans. We all have a drive to procreate. We all have affect signs. What the heck is an affect sign??? Abn affect sign is an image or idea that is so hard-wired into our DNA most humans feel some connection to it immediately. For example, snakes and bugs. We all tend to react to snakes and bugs immediately. Our human line has been dealing with them for so long we react with gut instinct against them. It takes a decisive decision not to react against them. Another affect sign is the human face. Our minds want to see another face. It subconciously looks for other faces. Ever see a pattern of dots or even paint smears and see a face in them? Ever see clouds and see a familiar shape in the clouds? That is a phenomena called matrixing. Our minds are looking for those shapes so we see them because we are geared to see them. So what does this have to do with abortion?? Simple. Just because one sees something that might be human does not make it human. Yes, if an embryo is allowed to develope it might become a great human being. that being said, does that mean all women should disregard their own lives after sex to simply become potential human incubators?? The religious say yes. A woman is nothing but an incubator after an egg is fertilized. As much as I dislike abortion, I have to say the woman's right to her own body outweighs the rights of an embryo and in some cases a fetus. An embryo or fetus is a parasitic form of life until it can sustain itself. Do many women opt for abortion for convenience? Hell yes! Almost no one wants to face the consequences of their own actions. Young men leave young women and young women run away from the potential kids. Is this good and just? Absolutely not! The question arises...a group of people believe in a cosmic pudding that rules the universe, so no one has the right to abortion, even if the pregnancy is fallopian and lethal, ergo the beliefs of the group override that of the individual. Is that just? My conclusion is that abortion is horrendous, especially when the potential child has a good chance at life, but like suicide, is a real world potential reality. By the way, I'm really enjoying how no one knows what I believe, but projects their fears on me. Quite humorous. Keep the intellectual fight up to snuff you defenders of the faith. You righteous few! Pip pip. |
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Glad You Stated That You Believe Abortion Is "Horrendous"
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I believe you have better ethics, than many who call themselves Christians, but choose to kill babies. I often wonder (my belief only) how "Christians" are going to explain/defend their pro-choice stance to God and Jesus. As far as "Tubal/ectopic Preganancy." There is no choice unless a mother wants to risk death when her fallopian tube ruptures. That is not what we are talking about. Abortion in this context, is when a person chooses to take the life of an unborn person. |
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| The one who refuses to accept God as God is doomed to having himself as god. | |
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Taking the "life" of an unborn child...
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Is playing God, literally. Yet, lot's of "Christians" do this, and support candidates who want to ensure that this "right" will continue. |
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The Bible
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The Bible is a collection of stories gathered by early humans, more primitive than we, agreed, but possibly more insightful. :-) Stop tickling my tummy! Read your own words and understand what you wrote. If the Bible is a gathering of stories, then it is a collection of lore that has become myth. Then the historicity is acknowledged as not being factual, but instead the work is more to be considered as a gathering of wisdom. I can live with that interpretation. Most of my morals and ethics are Biblically based but that does not mean I believe the animals lined up two by two to go into Noah's ark. Oh, I might get thru to you dogged posters yet! |
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I wanted to ask the Bible thumper from Three Forks about this question when he wrote to spit his Romans in my face...don't worry, he's not online. What about god's track record against kids? The Bible Thumper says god hates the hands of those who shed the blood of innocents. Well, god must have a different definition of innocent than me. One day a bunch of kids laughed at a bald man for being bald. Very childish for sure. God killed fifty kids for doing so. The Egyptian adults disobeyed god after god hardened pharaohs heart to disobey him. God punished his guinea pigs by killing their first born. Now if God creates all souls at conception then these first borns were only guilty of being Egyptian because God wanted them to be Egyptian. God created kids to be killed because god wanted some kids to kill. Sounds very Hindu to me. God the Father hates humans because they disobey. Only blood can atone for sin. Who has to die then? Jesus, his son, the lamb slain before the foundations of the world. The father wants to create the world, but if something goes wrong then everyone has to die unless the Son volunteers. Hmm..sounds like this Biblical god has an issue with kids. Perhaps even pathological like the Chronos figure of Greek mythology. Oh wait! Yahweh is mythology. My bad. |
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Cory on the Attack
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| Well there you have it, folks. Cory himself admits he's on the attack, and hardly reads like the poor "victim" some of you have tried to make him out to be. Attack away, Cory! And while you're trying to decide when life begins, many on the other end are trying to decide when it should end. And of course in the middle there are those who have tried (and continue to try) to define who's really "human" and who is something less. With no God to look to, human beings have done a fine job of determining these things, haven't they? (NOT!). Whether you think the bible is a "myth" or not, it has some pretty good wisdom contained in its pages, and if people lived their lives more in line with its principles, the world would be a better place. | |
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I believe YOU are the only person who continues to accuse others of referring to Cory as a "poor victim." That is quite manipulative, and clearly you desire to manipulate the blog with that untrue statement. You claim to be a Christian? |
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Still a pity
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| You can argue, deny, ridicule and be sarcastic; and you can think you have come out on top of every discussion...eternity is a long, long time. | |
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Cory needs to read his bible again
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| Cory himself says Jesus volunteered to be crucified. He talks about God sacrificing his "kid" but Jesus was no kid when he willingly went to the cross. Furthermore, all along the way he had opportunities to "bow out". What do you think Satan's temptation of Jesus in the desert was all about? Also, the closer Jesus came to the final day, the more opportunities he had not to go through with the sacrifice of himself. The disciples themselves urged him to let them whisk him away and hide him so he wouldn't have to be crucified. Jesus knew long before his crucifixtion exactly what was going to happen to him. So why didn't he bow out? Because he chose, and wanted, to do God's will. He loved God and he loved mankind, and willingly became the sacrifice to mend the gulf between God and man. Cory can make fun of all this but the truth always stands, love always wins in the end, and God reigns supreme. Cory will know this eventually, whether he likes it or not. | |
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I am not offended, for it is not my place to be. I am solid in my faith. I do however find it ironic, that someone who does not believe in the Bible, has such strong opinions about taking the life of an unborn child (abortion). I think that I'd much rather be in Cory's shoes talking to Jesus and God, than in the shoes of "Christians" who believe in "Pro-Choice." It really is not that hard to live your life, making an effort to not harm others, Christian or not. |
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everybody breathe
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christian or not the most important part of this discussion is when will we all grow up? if we knew how to treat each other and take care of each other instead of using any arguement handy to beat the snot out of each other-there would be a lot less of these arguements.we all have a path i think we should worry about are own paths more, can you look yourself in the mirror? |
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Yay America!
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