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Bozeman Pride?
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| They made a big stink in Billings, too. Some of us will never be grown up enough. I suppose if we were, there would be no need for a pride parade. I say go for it. | |
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Southward, it seems you are for anything, and I mean anything that brings money into the Gallatin Valley. I am wondering if you'd sell your mother's soul, for a buck$$$ Gay Pride has nothing to do with the values people seek who live in the Gallatin Valley. Yes, it is about values. I think you are back to thinking about the almighty dollar. I for one, don't want my children exposed to this, as if it were wholesome. It is not. |
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| I don't even know how to respond to that. I was posting in support of family members and friends, some of whom (believe it or not) live RIGHT HERE in the Gallatin Valley. You mentioned elsewhere you have experienced living somewhere you were looked at as "evil" and an outsider, and my only point is that Bozeman should try and do better than that. Some reflection on that time of your life and how you felt about that treatment would help you see where I am coming from. Thank you and good day. | ||
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Southward, You are way too smart to play the "you mentioned elsewhere" about evil... You had obviously read my comment regarding LDS "missionaries" and members. But, I'll clarify this for you, since you are playing a "confused Southward" today. Living among LDS, non-LDS were routinely refered to as "Evil" or "Gentiles." That is what I commented about, thanks for the "spin," kind of like the "TIF" explanation. In any case Southward, I have a right as you do to state my opinion about gays parading in my hometown. I do not believe that what gays do, is wholesome nor do I want my children exposed to this lifestyle as it is presented as "normal." It is not normal. Has nothing to do with EVIL, another word people use to label others. We surely can love people, without supporting their choices, and that's what being gay is, a choice. An exception to this, is a hermaphordite (and I doubt any of us know one), who genetically has no control over the body they were born with. They alone have to make a choice. Nice spin though... |
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| Hate to say it, Berrymountain, but being gay isn't a choice either (unless you buy into the the crapola spewed by the Family Research Institute and other conservative christian groups) | ||
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It stands for lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transexuals. You poison the water with the use of a question like "Is Bozeman grown-up enough to handle this?" The implication is that anyone who opposes it is immature, unenlightened or childish. It's just the opposite. It's the grown-ups who have to stand up and oppose the perversion that something like one of these events promotes. Those who feel the need to parade themselves in public in an effort to demand we accept their choices regarding their livestile are the ones who need to grow up. |
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Perversion? That's sad, Ed. You are exactly the reason why Bozeman should have a gay pride festival. Too bad your close-minded opinion puts you in a box. Variety in all forms is the spice of life. One of our favorite summertime activities in Minneapolis and Chicago are the gay pride festivals. Great food and music, fun parades, super-nice people...how can anyone dislike that? |
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I'll agree with Ed on this one. It is not my obligation to agree with all the lifestyle choices of others. There is a certain amount of personal activity that I can tolerate, but because I'm not willing to show support or agree with someone's choices doesn't mean that I'm phobic, uneducated, unintelligent, closed-minded, or immature. It isn't a question of whether gays or lesbians are polite, cook well, are good musicians, good conversationalists, caring, or can organize entertaining events. There are a lot of people that are all those things and are not gay or lesbian and I still don't agree the lifestyle choices that they make. Not everything is socially acceptable and not everything should be socially acceptable. However, if a particular lifestyle is promoted to the point that it is invasive to my lifestyle or comfort I should not be expected to sacrifice my point of view. There are many people that have a propencity to behave a particular way, but must show restraint or show discretion with their activities. There have always been activities that have been considered socially deviant and open-mindedness doesn't require that these activities become the normal behaviour of society. Open-mindedness requires that you ponder a topic and weight it against your morals, values, and social standards. It doesn't mean that everything under the sun needs to be tolerated without regard for your own position. I'm puzzled why gay and lesbian rights are promoted so strongly, but polygamy is considered so socially disruptive. It seems to me that polygamy would be an easier sell than same-sex marriages. I was watching CNN the other day and in one breath they are airing positive commentary regarding gay and lesbian issues and in the next are talking about how polygamy is an abomination to traditional marriage and subjects children to an environment that they shouldn't have to endure. I'd make the argument that polygamy is a more natural state than same-sex marriages although I don't agree with either situation. Danie006- "Variety in all forms" is not "the spice of life". There is a lot of "variety" that can be harmful. |
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| Nein, nein, nein, es ist nicht eine notwendige Sache. Es ist ziemlich dumm. | |
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Oh, c'mon 2nd monkey. It wouldn't be THAT stupid. Perhaps it is necessary to host such an event in a effort to wake up that close-minded spirit which apparently pervades this community. |
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"I vote , "No" by2ndMonkey15 hours ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply) Nein, nein, nein, es ist nicht eine notwendige Sache. Es ist ziemlich dumm." "No, no, no, it is not a necessary thing. It is rather stupid." Second that. |
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Danie: You raise some interesting points, so please help me to understand. On what basis do you categorize me as "close-minded" (sic)? I would have thought that term would be applied to someone who has formed an uneducated opinion on a matter w/o regard for evidence or facts to the contrary. My opinion is based on considerable research and study, founded on a desire to understand the truth of the matter. It is amazing how much information is out there and how little most folks know. For instance, did you know that the American Psychiatric Institute, for years, used to diagnose homosexuallity as a mental illness, and that is was only through political pressure that they reversed themselves? Am I closed-minded because I disagree with you (and with Bandit)? Could it be that you are closed-minded because you disagree with me (and the majority of the US population)? Perhaps I should have used term other than perversion (and, by the way, you're right. It is sad.). What synonym would you suggest...it has to be a synonym. PC expressions like "alternative lifestyle" do not adequately describe what is being done under the guise of personal freedom. You say "Variety in all forms is the spice of life". May I assume you would apply that to the NAMBLA, the KKK and the Arian Nations? You speak of the festivals in Minneapolis and Chicago and ask "How can anyone dislike that?" No problem, when it is done with the purpose of undermining the moral structure of the country in which we live...and in which we are raising our kids. It is easy to say "Live and let live." It takes no effort to see the wrong that is around us and ignore it under the pretense of enlightenment or tolerance. And one final question: Why would you say I am the reason we need a gpf in Bozeman? Do you think that blatant exposure to it would negate the facts? It sounds like your goal is to recruit and convert, not celebrate. |
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I was only pointing out the obvious which you clarified with the typical responses we've all heard before. By the way, I'm not sure what relevance the antiquated 1970's mental illness diagnosis has to do with this matter. Perhaps they should eliminate the Special Olympics too. What EXACTLY are you suggesting is being done under the guise of personal freedom? And what facts are you referring to? My kids have a great time at the festivals. They're not fazed by the experience at all - still straight arrows. I think people who are from different walks of life, have different cultures, etc. (those who are not exactly like you and me) are what makes life interesting. I think it is apparent that racists and criminals are not included in my comment...unless you lump the GBLT crowd into those categories too. Your commentary/opinion is pretty much the most frightening thing I've read in BozemanTalks so far. |
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| Yeah, that's what I thought Ed. " Just goes to show that hate couched in legal or religious language is still hate- it still aims to deny life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to a select group of individuals based solely on their biological traits- a bit more devious because it's not that easy to tell who might be gay anymore. They're just nameless, faceless less-than-humans who may or may not live next door, but who probably won't show themselves if we shame or scare them enough... " | |
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Bandit said in his post: "Any and all feedback would be appreciated - " I don't think that is what you meant Bandit. I think you want to demand that the lifestyle of gays be accepted and even welcomed by all. You claim that being gay is a result of "biology." Where is your proof of that? (Again, except for hermaphrodites) |
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Why segregate?
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| Why doesn't the LGBT just do a float in one of the parades already happening in Bozeman? To live together- why work so hard to set yourself apart??? There is room for everyone and their ideas in Bozeman. That is, if people don't try to shove their ideas down each other's throat. Or get upset if others don't agree with them... | |
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Gay Pride
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I'm not sure what purpose a Pride festival, parade or celebration has. I'm not really sure who is represented or what the purpose is. I think there are other issues that we as the human race should involve ourselves with together. I know gay folks who wouldn't want anything to do with a Pride celebration. And these aren't folks who are hiding from the fact they are gay. They are neighbors and friends first and they are accepted and cherished. It's no big deal to them and no big deal to us. But, if you want to have a celebration, go right ahead, and have fun. I wish you all the best with it. I'd consider going but whatever day you are having it is the day I have to paint the porch. |
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Right on, Art. If these people think they're more special than anyone else and need such a grotesque display, I'll call City Hall and tell them I'm not going to help pay for the event. I would also have them figure the percentage to be diverted to the Sweet Pea Festival, maybe to cut that expense for those who think the price is too high. |
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Bandit, nobody hates you. I have re-read every word in this thread and there is not one that can honestly be construed as hate. You do your cause serious harm when you descend to the level of accusing anyone who disagrees with you or challenges you as being full of hate. You are seen as engaging in personal attacks because you cannot handle the direction the discussion is going. You may disagree with the goals and beliefs of the evangelicals who participate in a "March for Jesus", but you don't hate them. (BTW, this is the 1st reference to anything religious in this thread, unless you equate morals w/ religion.) I may disagree strongly with your moral and lifestyle choices, but I do not seek to deny you anything. I just prefer not to have your choices openly promoted in my community any more than you would want mine promoted in yours. Art's right; there is too much in which we should involve ourselves together for us to be actively promoting divisive issues. Danie, you give me too much credit. If my commentary/opinion is pretty much the most frightning thing you've read in Bozeman Talks, then you scare too easily; and, as I said before, I certainly am not a good enough reason to organize a Bozeman gay pride festival (I'd probably be helping Art on his porch, anyhow). When you say your kids have a great time at the festivals and "...are not fazed by the experienc at all - still straight arrows", you seem to suggest that there is a possibility that they, or some, might be fazed and "convert", and it sounds like that might be an undesireable outcome to you, in your family. I don't know the age of you kids, but don't ever think they are beyond being fazed, whether they seem to exhibit it or not. BTW, it was NOT apparent that racists and criminals weren't included in your "spice of life" comment. NAMBLA is a direct offshoot of the LBGT movement and are highly visible in many Pride events. I think it's time for me to bow out of this discussion. To me, Bozeman has been and always will be one of the greatest places on earth. Whatever the outcome of all of this, I hope it will be to the betterment of our town. |
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| Ed, I'm sorry...maybe we disagree on the meaning of hate: When someone calls me a pervert and equates me with the worse type of criminal, well, I certainly wouldn't call it love. It's that kind of message and some of the others that scare me. As a boy growing up in central Montana, I found myself scared, bewildered and depressed beyond any measure - I was pretty sure I was the only gay person in Montana. Maybe, just maybe, if Bozeman hosts Pride in three years, a young person can see he or she isn't the only one. Maybe they will see the coverage or hear the message of acceptance, hope and love and decided that life can go on...hopefully, that person doesn't read this blog. | ||
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| This is one of the biggest questions that surrounds gay and lesbian issues. Is it a choice or is it something that you are born into? Many people have tried to find a genetic trait that proves a predisposition to be attracted to the same sex and have never found anything remotely conclusive. As it stands today it is a lifestyle choice not a biological trait. Many people have also tried to substantiate the genetic predisposition of people to engage in theft, violent crime, pedophilia, beastialty, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. In the vast majority of these studies what has been found is that there are social environments and chemical introductions (in the case of infants addicted to drugs and alcohol at birth) that can create a propencity to behave a certain way, but that there is no genetically significant difference from test subjects and those considered socially normal. | |
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| I thought about becoming a homosexual once, and it wasn't only due to not being able to get a date. There was no such thing as gay marriage at the time, and marriage is something I always honored and wanted to take part in. Now I'm not so sure about the marriage part of it but I'm otherwise a happy hetero. | |
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Stay "Happy Hetero" Uptown...
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Just think of it, as being choosey. (sp?) Uptown, how about you POST on this blog about yourself (maybe a smiley face, or???) looking for single gals (I think you're a fellow). Age Where you were born Education/business/work (you can be vague, just be truthful...) Sports you enjoy (if any) Goals in life What you enjoy eating, drinking, type of movies you enjoy, etc. Tell us about you, and then set a date, where you'll be at a certain place, dressed a certain way. Maybe some of us bloggers know of a possible match for you. Could be fun, you might make a friend or more. You could call it "Lonely Bachelor," or "Single, straight, male." Good luck, I don't think there is anyone on this blog that is dangerous, so give it a whirl. Use the blog! |
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To me, it's immature to base an identity on a sexual style or event. I'm not interested in knowing anyone's sexual style except my mate's. I wouldn't pay anything to have a public display/parade. I would not go near it. It's not about dollar cost, it's about cultural cost. Disease/abuse/molestation of victims/children are a social cost I mean. Besides all that gay/homosexuality always has been & always will be immoral/ perverted/a corruption of the natural sex act. Sex that produces no offspring has no purpose unless it's to "use" another human. |
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Great food and music, fun parades, super-nice people.. you're right how could anyone dislike that?! however, one thing i CAN NOT stand: when 'minority' groups cry for equality, then demand special treatment. |
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Those darn Wally Byam's--flaunting their lifestyles!! Can't they just keep it to themselves? Seriously though, some of the things I have read on this post sadden me. Cwrite makes an attempt to connect Homosexuality to disease/abuse/molestation--maybe Cwrite needs to do some research on who actually perpetrates such crimes. Also, regarding that post--according to Cwrite--a person like myself who has been married for quite a few years and does not want a fourth child is corrupting the natural sex act and "using" another human. Wow! I will tell my husband that we have to stop now! Ed states "Nambla is an offshoot of the LBGT movement." There's a great argument against a minority--pick out the worst group connected to them and try to draw a straight line (no pun intended) between the two. Let's try this argument--Nazis are an offshoot of the Catholic religion (due to the fact that Hitler was raised a Catholic). Don't think either of those arguments will stand up. And the argument that homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness--well so did epilepsy. During the Eugenics movement, which lasted until the 1960s in the US, people where forcibly sterilized for a broad variety of reasons that included mental illness (like epilepsy). Can you believe such a thing was done to people who were not "normal?!!" But we have learned lessons from our past--haven't we??? It all comes down to the argument of CHOICE. Now seriously, let us consider this argument. Who would chose to be ostracised by their own family and friends just for fun? Better yet, did you CHOSE to be hetero? If you say it is a choice, then you open yourself up to that fact that you could have been either--interesting thought, huh? The thing is--it tooks years of scientific research to understand all the things we understand today and there are years to go for things we do not understand. Take cancer for example, look at how much money is poured into cancer research yet how far away we are from a cure. Now, look how little money is spent on actually determining if homosexuality is genetic.... There may never be proof in our life time but I think common sense tells us the answer--again, who would chose? As to the "lifestyle," I have never--personally--been put down for my hetero lifestyle so why do heteros like to put others down for theirs?? For those of you so vehemently opposed to this issue--I hope you never have a child/family member/friend who has to admit the are homosexual to you. Wow, I am guessing if there is someone--they are never "coming out of the closet." |
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"....For those of you so vehemently opposed to this issue--I hope you never have a child/family member/friend who has to admit the are homosexual to you. Wow, I am guessing if there is someone--they are never "coming out of the closet." Why? Because these folks would not want a gay pride parade? I think it is feasible as a parent or a really good friend to love a gay person but not support their political or sexual desires. As to the lifestyle comment, some of the posters simply said they did not want a parade in Bozeman. That hardly equates to putting down the gay lifestyle. Personally, I am disgusted by seeing two guys walking down the street holding hands, but I also feel that is not something we need to regulate against. I would walk down the street and hold my wifes hand so it seems logical that they should be able to do that as well. But I don't need to see two guys making out hard core in the | ||